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particle-jim wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

particle-jim wrote:Just go and watch Randy Couture Vs James Toney if you think boxing is better than ground fighting... Toney didn't land a single punch and got choked out in the first round

"stand up and fight like a fucking man" no thanks i'd rather fight smart

then whats the point in fighting??

Bjj is for self defence, not starting fights, therefore the point is to not get hurt and to render your attacker unable to attack

Thats what pepper spray/mase is for.
Fighting should have some amount of honour to it, otherwise your just an animal...

borrowed wrote:

knell wrote:

deadly habit wrote:well you're talking real life situations which is down to the individual not some arena or sport fight
boxers are the same as martial artists
i'm not gonna do some kata or shit when i get hit
i'm going to do max damage and reactive moves
any fighting technique is to learn it so it becomes a reactive instinct, not a routine

exactly... borrowed is the joke, not krav maga... and i combine Qigong pressure points into my routine, so its not a matter of fighting, but protection...

the fastest boxer in the world can come up and have his arm snapped in three places, thats fine... but all he has to do to not get hurt is not throw any punches, at all

Yeah? Then show me a high-level Krav Maga fighter that has won in K1, Pride, or any other large organization.

Look, I spent a long time training traditional TKD and have a great respect for it, but I know its place. Many of the techniques are for demonstration or are based on a loose understanding of physiology. Pressure points are known as lymph nodes, breaking someones arm with a strike midair doesn't work, and all those bullshit grabs and stuns are exactly that, bullshit.

well thats a load of bollocks because when it was founded in 1955 it used in the korean army, it was a combat martial art. the moves that were taugh were moves which were effective at killing. and being a kicks based martial arts a lot of kicks were involved. not many people would get back up after a technically powerful kick to the face with millitary boots on!
obviously now the 'killing techniques' have been taken out so that it can be more of a sporting martial art as opposed to combat

clifford_- wrote:well its true though isnt it? if your gonna "cheat" as someone mentioned earlier/fight dirty or whatever, you may aswell just shoot/stab them.
real men stand up and fight, not roll around on the floor with each other. too much homo-eroticy in MMA...

you're worried about homo-eroticism when you're deciding which form of self defence is the most effective??

boxing is great. it really is. if you can box you are always in good nick if you have a scrap. most boxers could land one, maybe two shots before being taken down by someone with experience in ground fighting. then they're absolutely fucked, they have the headlock and thats it.

'stand up and fight like a man' - thats dumb. if you've ever been knocked to the ground in an actual fight how many times have you been let back up to carry on fighting?? i certainly haven't.

just out of curiosity, since you've boxed for a bit, how do you reckon you'd do against someone who does Muay Thai?? obviously you'd have good hand skills, but facing another stand up fighter how do you feel about kicks/elbows/knees or does that go against your boxing code too?

noam wrote:

clifford_- wrote:well its true though isnt it? if your gonna "cheat" as someone mentioned earlier/fight dirty or whatever, you may aswell just shoot/stab them.
real men stand up and fight, not roll around on the floor with each other. too much homo-eroticy in MMA...

you're worried about homo-eroticism when you're deciding which form of self defence is the most effective??

boxing is great. it really is. if you can box you are always in good nick if you have a scrap. most boxers could land one, maybe two shots before being taken down by someone with experience in ground fighting. then they're absolutely fucked, they have the headlock and thats it.

'stand up and fight like a man' - thats dumb. if you've ever been knocked to the ground in an actual fight how many times have you been let back up to carry on fighting?? i certainly haven't.

just out of curiosity, since you've boxed for a bit, how do you reckon you'd do against someone who does Muay Thai?? obviously you'd have good hand skills, but facing another stand up fighter how do you feel about kicks/elbows/knees or does that go against your boxing code too?

Id be quick enough to get out of the way before any kicks/elbows/knees were anywhere near me. boxing not all about punching, most of its anticipating what the other fellas going to do, ducking and weaving as they say.

Anyone up for some Streetfighter?

btw you shouldn't be so serious about all those fighting techniques... I mean if someone tries to go all miu thuwahandkerchief
on me I'd probably just grab something to throw in his face. Most people who have learned all those things about fighting and self
defence should know better and walk out on it.

noam wrote: either way, watch how Fedor throws a punch, to the head its often overhand with an exaggerated twist of the wrist. you should be able to tell its not a standard boxing punch anyway. its straight up Systema/Combat Sambo techniques.

This
looks like uncontrolled windmilling but closer to Tai chi chuan in its theory
more of an emphasizes on spontaneous and uninhibited movement when you throw punches
Igor Vovchanchyn is another good example of this style

Mortal wrote:

borrowed wrote:

knell wrote:

deadly habit wrote:well you're talking real life situations which is down to the individual not some arena or sport fight
boxers are the same as martial artists
i'm not gonna do some kata or shit when i get hit
i'm going to do max damage and reactive moves
any fighting technique is to learn it so it becomes a reactive instinct, not a routine

exactly... borrowed is the joke, not krav maga... and i combine Qigong pressure points into my routine, so its not a matter of fighting, but protection...

the fastest boxer in the world can come up and have his arm snapped in three places, thats fine... but all he has to do to not get hurt is not throw any punches, at all

Yeah? Then show me a high-level Krav Maga fighter that has won in K1, Pride, or any other large organization.

Look, I spent a long time training traditional TKD and have a great respect for it, but I know its place. Many of the techniques are for demonstration or are based on a loose understanding of physiology. Pressure points are known as lymph nodes, breaking someones arm with a strike midair doesn't work, and all those bullshit grabs and stuns are exactly that, bullshit.

well thats a load of bollocks because when it was founded in 1955 it used in the korean army, it was a combat martial art. the moves that were taugh were moves which were effective at killing. and being a kicks based martial arts a lot of kicks were involved. not many people would get back up after a technically powerful kick to the face with millitary boots on!
obviously now the 'killing techniques' have been taken out so that it can be more of a sporting martial art as opposed to combat

So you're telling me TKD, with its katas, forms, and one-steps is not a traditional martial art? Ok.

borrowed wrote:

Mortal wrote:

borrowed wrote:

knell wrote:

deadly habit wrote:well you're talking real life situations which is down to the individual not some arena or sport fight
boxers are the same as martial artists
i'm not gonna do some kata or shit when i get hit
i'm going to do max damage and reactive moves
any fighting technique is to learn it so it becomes a reactive instinct, not a routine

exactly... borrowed is the joke, not krav maga... and i combine Qigong pressure points into my routine, so its not a matter of fighting, but protection...

the fastest boxer in the world can come up and have his arm snapped in three places, thats fine... but all he has to do to not get hurt is not throw any punches, at all

Yeah? Then show me a high-level Krav Maga fighter that has won in K1, Pride, or any other large organization.

Look, I spent a long time training traditional TKD and have a great respect for it, but I know its place. Many of the techniques are for demonstration or are based on a loose understanding of physiology. Pressure points are known as lymph nodes, breaking someones arm with a strike midair doesn't work, and all those bullshit grabs and stuns are exactly that, bullshit.

well thats a load of bollocks because when it was founded in 1955 it used in the korean army, it was a combat martial art. the moves that were taugh were moves which were effective at killing. and being a kicks based martial arts a lot of kicks were involved. not many people would get back up after a technically powerful kick to the face with millitary boots on!
obviously now the 'killing techniques' have been taken out so that it can be more of a sporting martial art as opposed to combat

So you're telling me TKD, with its katas, forms, and one-steps is not a traditional martial art? Ok.

not at all, of course its a traditional martial art, its a discipline. but to say its techniques are for demonstration is just wrong considering it originated as a form of military combat

Lol.

Igor Vovchanchyn is badman

Manny would of punched you twice before you even knew you were being punched!.

hahahaha Pacquiao is a monster!

borrowed wrote:Lol.

heh, your ignorance is beyond me

noam wrote:hahahaha Pacquiao is a monster!

You know this! Cant wait for the mayweather fight, if its gonna happen..

u reckon it will actually happen though?? i cant see it happening unless it happens between now and March/April... reckon by summer Pacquiao will have quit boxing and gone fully into Politics

noam wrote:u reckon it will actually happen though?? i cant see it happening unless it happens between now and March/April... reckon by summer Pacquiao will have quit boxing and gone fully into Politics

I doubt it, but im trying to remain optimistic.

http://vodpod.com/watch/4360190-ufc-ran ... full-fight

Boxing... It's super effective

So the consensus on what's best to learn to defend yourself is... there's no consensus. Great.

dubsola wrote:So the consensus on what's best to learn to defend yourself is... there's no consensus. Great.

learn to not get into fights in the first place


(jokes, obviously there may be situations where it's not up to you)

Fighting in the ring is different to fighting in the street. In the street there is no preparation and time to hype yourself up. You don't have a 123 and your in. The count is the first blow and the only deciding factor is how well you can take a punch from someone that wants to fuck you up more then you want to fuck them up. Reactions and training get completely thrown out the window. Rules mean nothing. There is no honour or respect in a pure fight. Its all about hurting the other person as much as possible and most people don't have that in them. The best self defence is to run and hope they don't catch up.