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deadly habit wrote:the difference between those DOA threads and the ones on here is that the guys will experiment about trying to replicate something, share what they did and it keeps building upon that by people who are after techniques and not specific i wanna sound exactly like this give me exact settings

well the fact that you can embed your results as a download in your post without having to upload to soundcloud before makes these threads a lot easier
that, and the extremely high number of posters who are skilled in the magic art of resampling (as in turning an 808 kick into nasty warbliness, not just bouncing and chopping up), which still is being explored around here. maybe give it a couple of months and it's become common knowledge, who knows maybe then we'll have a wave of foley threads

idk man... maybe we do need more threads like that. something where the adept producers and the ones wanting to be can have fun rather than posting "this has been asked before" or explaining what a filter is.

edit: oh and about the techniques rather than specific sound part... the sad thing is, if i would for example post a "how do i make this type of sound" thread it would trigger the skrillex reflex and have people pointing me out to the 'help me make this sound' thread when all i wanted was having fun with others reverse-engineering a sound to learn new techniques and approaches.
another example: if someone would post some fucked up gabba tune and say "hey guys lets try and break this stuff down" people would probably think "duh i wouldnt want a gabba kick in my tune" and dismiss it as crap, but it's not about the gabba kick itself, it's about how you get there. who knows maybe a highpassed gnarly kickdrum with a long release could work well with a bassline, look at that von d tune for example.

maybe a bad example because gabba kicks are simple as fuck but you get the idea

Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Music is a trend now not an artform. People dont want to make their own sound or unique style. It's sad to see.

You have to know the 'rules' before you can break em.

i'd like to propose a private forum elite club for only specific people.
we all know this would never happen, but it's worth a suggestion.

It's not complaining. People are frustrated. I own this forum and awful lot because of the knowledge shared on here.

Anyone who has been producing for more then a month can't understand why the newer users of the forum and the obsession in sounding just like someone who is already know for a particular sound/noise. Those "seats" are already taken and sounding just like someone else isn't going to get you noticed. Al this trying to be just like someone is going to put you at the back of a long queue in an increasingly difficult game.

You are never going to make a mark in life or music unless you walk your own path.

shaneynclan wrote:i'd like to propose a private forum elite club for only specific people.
we all know this would never happen, but it's worth a suggestion.

you mean having a few releases and being part of the scene so you can just ask producers you've collaborated with/gotten to know personally how to do XY?

Favorite part of this thread is the people defending dsfp's validity are generally the ones who are destroying it.

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It's not that we haven't had this thread before. It's probably a yearly occurrence, but every time it is getting worse and worse. Despite the valiant efforts of Leg and Petey. I just think this is it though. Shit is dead.

honestly i couldnt agree more with DH or Nowaysj... or anybody in that line of thoughts..

now dont know if its dead.. dont think so... but ive never had to scroll this long before clicking a fun thread title... and i imagine the forum mustd been a pretty neat place a little while before i joined it.. these guys have a legit point...

so... NO. it's not a valuable answer to say : "you just complain bout the good old days and shit" or "noobs need to learn too"... this place is not like it was even a year ago. and i know i came in recently.. but seriously, i remember when i posted a bunch of stupid threads and learnt the hard way... and when i think back of those times i only feel sorry i polluted the forum with those... honest talk.

the minute uve been round here for more then 2 months.. u realize the same bullshit is being posted ten times a week.. with little variations in the questions explainable by how little the op knows...

now i wouldnt see any perk in a hate-oriented thread... and would be the first to cheer everybody up... and call DH an old-ass troll... but shit is nothing less but true...

noobs rage about the comment... but thing is the current phenomenon doesnt even help the noobs... the point here is if the forum was less like this.. EVERYBODY would have more valuable info...

C... what really stresses me about those evernoobing posts... is the fact that noobs answer noobs and feed them with inaccurate and very superficial knowledge... those of u who feel the forum is helpful need to shut up and grab a book or two about production... its like this forum is a production crutch... and people could assess any need with a new thread...

in front of the typical noobish post... most of us can't help but summarize ideas and feed the threads... and i think its a very wrong thing to do..

imo, the best thing to do... logically speaking... is to (and i rarely do it but i will try to)

1) read the thread
2) realize its already been discussed
3) ask op to use the search button
4) REDIRECT OP TO A SUMMARIZING THREAD...
5) close thread.. delete if necessary...

gearslutz works that way... and its the most professional forum ive seen so far...

Mods : is it thinkable, to delete a couple threads a month??

Also : Gearslutz has one of the sickest scripts ever... whenever u start a new thread, the forum conducts an automatic search and they pop up in ur face like ''threads with similar names already exist, are u sure they dont already talk about that blabla''.. it is sick imo.

hwv... im pretty sure GS has more resources then dsf... drokkr plz confirm!?!

i know my post is a bit blurry, but.. get me rite here... I simply dream of a longass deep and thorough massive thread instead of that skinny-butt massive qna with 2 mere pages and the 6 shitty weekly threads about th3 m4ssivez that are so wrong...

/rant

nowaysj wrote: It's probably a yearly occurrence

you know what's funny is that when i joined this forum, there was a similar thread going on, irony.

Ldizzy wrote:its like this forum is a production crutch

I just wanted to say +1.

Ldizzy wrote:when i think back of those times i only feel sorry i polluted the forum with those...

Ldizzy wrote:im pretty sure GS has more resources then dsf... drokkr plz confirm!?!

Tbh mate, I've got tons of stuff off of here and if not watched countless tutorials Youtube on various skills for production. Proper reverb, layering, compression etc. Days spent using just one synth just to learn how to use it my way and in turn develop my own sound and techniques. I listen to other music and apply those production values to mine. I try to dissect how someone works a sound. I have been writing music for nearly 4 years now, pretty much flat out since I got left go from my job. It's been a long road to get labels to take notice of me or for me to even for me recognize that I have my own "sound" now. This I feel, has been down to the fact I have my own way of learning. Not always trying to be copying a direct patch or method. I think this is where to new members are going wrong. They think that everyone does the same thing to make a particular sound. Which in fact, couldn't be further from the truth. Even basic stuff. I bet if you took 10 producers you'd find 10 different ways to do pretty much the same thing.

Another thing. Is Google broken if you have just installed a DAW? "I make music since Wednesday, why doesn't it sound like 'x' or 'y'?" Seriously? It's because you have to learn. This shit isn't playschool. You have to put serious time and dedication into music. There's no instant gratification. You have to work at this, far more then any newcomers to production will ever realise.I do feel that all of these new members who have joined and now the increasingly boring trolls who like to post countless "How do I" threads are killing this forum slowly. At least be a bit more original if you really must troll ffs. Maybe the mods could be more militant on the locks of thread repeats? Isn't that what they are there, in part, for?

^ not sure if this is a reply to my post. if yes... hmmm im not sure i implied else..

anyhow i can only agree with what uve just stated..

Its a lot easier to copy someone elses good sounding sound, Synthesis is a daunting task and who is wanting to do it when the rewards are not immediate.

^ troll?
Synthesis isnt supposed to be daunting its supposed to be fun! and i dont think making music is supposed to have any rewards for the first few years you start out doing it. supposed to be a hobby you enjoy... oh well.

Just wanted to say to most of the people (and who arnt) in here thanks for your links, lols, and comments. I could go into detail about how each of you have inspired me to make my mixdowns better and how great ive found the links youve provided but then it would seem like some major arselicking.

Ive only been here since jan so cant really comment on how things have changed, but compared to Doa this has been a really nice forum to come to, big thanks to the mods too(ledge dub pete). And the Thernody Q&A was gold for me as it made me realise that i can take as long as i want to make my tracks and as long as im enjoying them thats all that matters. Wish you all the best with where you end up on the interwebz.

3 points

1. I've been moving toward a more live feel - looking to get a hardware midi sequencer to control my KS4 and then jam on my kit while its looping trance-like (@ the OT posts about xOxBoxes and the like)

2. Love the new members vs old members posts (not going to name names, but it happens constantly and is always a source of enjoyment for me)

3. It is a waste to come on, scroll through half a page of new threads about the same crap over and over. It hasn't been this bad and it's mainly due to a couple major players bailing, not that I can really blame them.

And @ all people saying "noobs need to learn too" - You can learn without posting "XY Producer - Lead/Bass/Whatever Sound how do i maek" threads. It's called searching and having motivation to actually learn and not just regurgitate a tutorial.

seriously, im re-askin.. is there a way the forum could conduct an auto search with the title of each new thread... like gs does?

it may be the answer to some of the problems detailed above..

I'll answer for dsf. NOPE.

nowaysj wrote:I'll answer for dsf. NOPE.

i like you.

nowaysj wrote:

looney wrote:all forums have been entering a twitter-induced death spiral for a while anyway

You really think so? I don't see them serving the same function. But then what do I know?

a lot of what a forum can do, i think that twitter can do better. its a forum where you personally get to decide who gets to post, which is pretty great!

twitter can't replace everything that a forum can do, but when people use twitter in lieu of the parts of a forum that it can, even the parts where old forums are superior get neglected

i do wish i knew of a better space to have straight dicussion about all the really exciting stuff thats happening in electronic party music (especially in america, at least), but maybe not having a space like that is better

I'm not a twittererer, do you meet new people through twitter, and carry on referrencable conversations? I mean, you can not productively discuss the first step of a production technique in twitter's tiny box.