Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by Kodachrome » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:58 am

spacekid wrote:100% agree with Cleese. Although this doesn't only exist in London. Just look at any major city in this country - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc. There are more people from other cultures/countries living in these cities than actual homegrown british people...... now i'm not popping off about all these different cultures but it's getting a little out of control and its not our fault but its the immigration laws of this country. We should never have joined the EU in my opinion. Thats basically said to all the smaller more deprived communities in Europe that they can come to our country and we will have open arms and a new life for them. They've realised this and taken advantage of it hence the over-run of all the other cultures. Lets face it its primarily people with little money looking for work coming to this country and moving to the big cities (because its where the money is) ... it's not multi-millionaires moving to this country. My opinion, our immigration laws should be like Australia's. If you have nothing to offer/provide this country - jog on.

Read a review that there are more British people moving to the country and out of the cities and last year just under a million british people emigrated .... their main motivation .... overcrowding. Now I can believe that.

On a totally different side note - This got me thinking about our police force in this country. Were the only country where our law/police force aren't really feared. Think about it ... you see some drunk louts fighting in the street and (if by luck) there was police there ..... the would still continue to FIGHT!! I mean in any other country like america for instance ... you see the police and fook me your on your toes. Or russia ... if you sneezed in the direction of a russian officer ... you'd get the beat down of your life. The police force over here have NO respect. Seriously twisted and failed government in this country. Probably why all these brits are emigrating each year.

I'm 100% british born btw.

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EDIT: On the police note, here in America we get the adverse effect of EVERYONE being AFRAID of the police, not just criminals. If you think that's a good thing....
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by jugo » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:22 am

spacekid i'll make this quick - life is too short. let's break down what you wrote into 3 areas, and what you're really saying.

1. 'they' = anyone not white

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"they've realised this and taken advantage
they can come to our country
the over-run of all the other cultures.
its primarily people with little money looking for work coming to this country"
2. 'i'm not racist, but...' = i am a raving racist
"now i'm not popping off about all these different cultures but...
it's getting a little out of control
its the immigration laws of this country
We should never have joined the EU
If you have nothing to offer/provide this country - jog on."
3. british = white person
"There are more people from other cultures/countries living in these cities than actual homegrown british people
more British people moving to the country and out of the cities
just under a million british people emigrated .... their main motivation .... overcrowding
I'm 100% british born btw."
now fuck off

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by capo ultra » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:58 am

spacekid wrote:Just look at any major city in this country - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc. There are more people from other cultures/countries living in these cities than actual homegrown british people......
are you fucking for real

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by spacekid » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:48 am

noam wrote:out of interest, where are you from??
I live and work in London.
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"Hurr durr they took our jobs!"
Not at all. To be honest ... If a person can apply for a job with no UK qualifications/doesn't speak the language and still gets the job over you ..... your sh*t!
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are you fucking for real

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Ok. I stand corrected.

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This wasn't meant to spark angry debate I was merely agreeing with what Cleese has said. I believe there's a ring of truth in his statement. Props to him for saying what was on his mind and speaking his thoughts.
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by noam » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:05 am

spacekid wrote: Props to him for saying what was on his mind and speaking his thoughts.
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"Props Hitler, you said what was on your mind and spoke your thoughts..."

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Post by clifford_- » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:11 am

now come on, dont be comparing cleese to hitler...
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by noam » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:14 am

clifford_- wrote:now come on, dont be comparing cleese to hitler...
nah i wasn't lol

it was just a pop at Spacekid and his big ups for Cleese just for speaking his mind...

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by capo ultra » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:22 am

Godwin's law has been invoked


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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by noam » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:24 am

fuck Godwin and his fake internet law.

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by yoowan » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:29 am

im just here to say fuck halal meat
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by yoowan » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:29 am

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by spacekid » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:39 am

noam wrote:
clifford_- wrote:now come on, dont be comparing cleese to hitler...
nah i wasn't lol

it was just a pop at Spacekid and his big ups for Cleese just for speaking his mind...
Even if it was a pop at me .... you were pretty much comparing the two.

Besides ... whats wrong with speaking your mind? Does society nowadays expect you to just sit there and keep your mouth shut.... I'll answer my own question actually with a Yes. Sadly people who speak their mind are jumped upon (just like Cleese) so people think twice about actioning any thoughts or speaking out. Which is probably why nothing gets done in this country ... people can't be asked to deal with the backlash that awaits them for speaking up.

On the Hitler note .... Please dont ever compare him to someone who was speaking their mind. He wasn't, he was a sick sadistic psychotic individual with serious mental issues and ruled with fear not reasoning.
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by magma » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:42 am

London has never been an "English" city. It has a phenomenally powerful Mayor and City Government compared to any other city for very good reason - it has always been an enclave for trade, commerce and the melting together of culture.

Cleese is correct, but he could have said the same thing at any time during the last 1500 years. It's not a bad or good thing, it's just how London works.

Surprised the conversation lasted this long.
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by capo ultra » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:43 am

your misinterpreting the point spacekid

you can't just give props to someone for speaking their mind, that's madness

otherwise you could just say props to Hitler for speaking his mind

if someone says something that is quite clearly ignorant they should be pulled on it

there is nothing wrong with speaking your mind but also you should be prepared for others to speak their mind back, it's only fair
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by capo ultra » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:48 am

if I say 'aeroplanes can't fly'

do I get credit for speaking my mind

no


you don't get credit for speaking your mind, you get credit for saying something insightful
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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by noam » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:50 am

spacekid wrote:
noam wrote:
clifford_- wrote:now come on, dont be comparing cleese to hitler...
nah i wasn't lol

it was just a pop at Spacekid and his big ups for Cleese just for speaking his mind...
Even if it was a pop at me .... you were pretty much comparing the two.

Besides ... whats wrong with speaking your mind? Does society nowadays expect you to just sit there and keep your mouth shut.... I'll answer my own question actually with a Yes. Sadly people who speak their mind are jumped upon (just like Cleese) so people think twice about actioning any thoughts or speaking out. Which is probably why nothing gets done in this country ... people can't be asked to deal with the backlash that awaits them for speaking up.
no, i would love people with your views to promote them as openly as possible, its only then do i know who to avoid on account of them being close-minded, simpletons
spacekid wrote: On the Hitler note .... Please dont ever compare him to someone who was speaking their mind. He wasn't, he was a sick sadistic psychotic individual with serious mental issues and ruled with fear not reasoning.
like you suggested our Police force do??

and seriously, i didn't compare Cleese to Hitler... i made a joke about you liking Mein Kampff because Hitler 'spoke his mind'

it was a joke.

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by noam » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:52 am

magma wrote:London has never been an "English" city. It has a phenomenally powerful Mayor and City Government compared to any other city for very good reason - it has always been an enclave for trade, commerce and the melting together of culture.

Cleese is correct, but he could have said the same thing at any time during the last 1500 years. It's not a bad or good thing, it's just how London works.

Surprised the conversation lasted this long.
the conversation lasted this long because there's deeper issues than the demographic of the city of london, and these are being expressed and discussed, despite what Cleese says

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by JBoy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:55 am

What many people dont get is that london has been multi cultural for the last 2000 years almost. England has always been a mixture of different races and cultures for thousands of years.

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Re: Cleese: 'London is no longer an English city'

Post by capo ultra » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:59 am

I know there is a lot of posts here and I'm not trying to single out one guy but I hear this kind of ill-informed shit all the time
spacekid wrote: Sadly people who speak their mind are jumped upon (just like Cleese) so people think twice about actioning any thoughts or speaking out
what is being intimated here is that one person should be allowed to speak their mind but no one else should be allowed to speak their minds in response

advocating censorship whilst deriding the same concept in the same sentence

what a ridiculous point to make
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