Evolution

[jrisreal]

Also the Bible does not say that the Universe was created in 7 literal days.

In fact, the Book of Genesis is not even talking about the Universe. It’s talking about God preparing THIS ONE PLANET for Life/Human habitation.

Further, the hebrew word translated as “day” in english, means simply a period of time. As in, an Epoch. These were many thousands of years long, perhaps hundreds of thousands of years.

For example, at 2 Peter 3:8 it reads "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

So even if we took the above verse as literal (which it is not, its simply saying that Time from man’s standpoint is not the same with God), then the 7 “days” in Genesis would STILL be thousands of years long.

> The Bible Agrees with Science.

Exactly what I was trying to get across...you worded it much better than I did.

[ketamine]

show me god

You can’t even look at the sun properly with your own eyes, you really think you could see it’s Creator? The Source of all that energy?

Exodus 33:30 "And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Yet, we can still “See” God in another way…

Romans 1:20-22 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"

I agree.

[IC0N]

Show me wind. Show me true love. One could see the effects of these yet one cannot physically hold them or literally see them.

[deadly_habit]

Can someone explain to me how we developed a moral compass through evolution?

because man is a pack animal and like it or not we behave pretty much like any other group of animals
just because we can vocalize/write/communicate these "morals" doesn't mean we don't behave like other animals
it's more natural instinct that is learned over years of trial and error as survival as a species

So basically you're saying that whether stealing is good or bad was key to our survival?

no i'm saying that until man made such a thing as personal property there was no concept of stealing, or moral choice to it, and depending on how/where you grow up now, it's not necessarily a morality choice

[deadly_habit]

show me god

You can’t even look at the sun properly with your own eyes, you really think you could see it’s Creator? The Source of all that energy?

Exodus 33:30 "And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Yet, we can still “See” God in another way…

Romans 1:20-22 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"

I agree.

yet the trinity says god is one god in three beings, one of them being of flesh which many people saw

[jrisreal]

show me god

You can’t even look at the sun properly with your own eyes, you really think you could see it’s Creator? The Source of all that energy?

Exodus 33:30 "And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Yet, we can still “See” God in another way…

Romans 1:20-22 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"

I agree.

yet the trinity says god is one god in three beings, one of them being of flesh which many people saw

yes, what about it?

[bRRRz]

show me god

You can’t even look at the sun properly with your own eyes, you really think you could see it’s Creator? The Source of all that energy?

Exodus 33:30 "And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Yet, we can still “See” God in another way…

Romans 1:20-22 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"

I agree.

yet the trinity says god is one god in three beings, one of them being of flesh which many people saw

yes, what about it?

Can't you see the logical fallacy?

[ketamine]

yet the trinity says god is one god in three beings, one of them being of flesh which many people saw

The Trinity is not a Bible teaching.

Jesus Himself never claimed to be equal to God, nor a version of God himself...

Phillipians 2: 5,6 "Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was esisting in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely , that he should be equal to God"

So the Bible uniformly teaches that no human person has ever seen God, but that he sent a representative so that we COULD get a sense of what he is like…

John 1:18 “No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (Explained Him to us)

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Factual Science & Things The Bible Actually Says are complimentary and agree with one another completely.

Unproven Theories & False Scriptural teachings are inherently contradictory and the source of contention.

[jrisreal]

show me god

You can’t even look at the sun properly with your own eyes, you really think you could see it’s Creator? The Source of all that energy?

Exodus 33:30 "And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Yet, we can still “See” God in another way…

Romans 1:20-22 "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish"

I agree.

yet the trinity says god is one god in three beings, one of them being of flesh which many people saw

yes, what about it?

Can't you see the logical fallacy?

nope. how is it illogical if God the Father says those things? It's God the Son who came as a man.

[tuckerlinen]

Show me wind. Show me true love. One could see the effects of these yet one cannot physically hold them or literally see them.

some Pocahontas shit right there...

Ket, surely you believe in evolution?
i'm not so much interested in having it out about the existence of god
and I can't tell you how life originated on this planet
but i'd wager you don't believe in the Edenic allegory either
and if you take it to be a matter of interpretation, and not the literal word of god
then the Bible loses all potency for me

someone mentioned (Synapdub I think) that personal interpretation is divinely informed
extremists surely have that same courtesy
but they possibly could seem wrong in your eyes
and why is it so accessible to you and so totally inaccessible to me?
what is so wrong with life having a common origin?
more evidence for it than not
and you can still have god


but the DNA determines the creature
DNA is the common thread linking these things you're viewing as separate, unique and incompatible
no dogs no cats just DNA that changes

[deadly_habit]

religion is a hell of a drug

[deadly_habit]

Show me wind. Show me true love. One could see the effects of these yet one cannot physically hold them or literally see them.

let me pull out my pocket fan and a piece of romantic poetry

[bRRRz]

nope. how is it illogical if God the Father says those things? It's God the Son who came as a man.

But it's still fucking GOD! Damnit I hate that trinity bullshit that you christians had to come up with to still qualify as a monotheistic religion. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[deadly_habit]

not to mention the amounts of persecution dealt out in the past to "heretics", "witches" etc basically anyone who begged to differ with the christian empire, science being one of them

[jrisreal]

nope. how is it illogical if God the Father says those things? It's God the Son who came as a man.

But it's still fucking GOD! Damnit I hate that trinity bullshit that you christians had to come up with to still qualify as a monotheistic religion. It makes no sense whatsoever.

How does it not make sense? Does it not make sense for a band to have more than one member? Drummer, Bassist, and Singer/Guitarist...theres three in one. Three Members, One Band. Three Beings, One God.

[magma]

Can someone explain to me how we developed a moral compass through evolution?

because man is a pack animal and like it or not we behave pretty much like any other group of animals
just because we can vocalize/write/communicate these "morals" doesn't mean we don't behave like other animals
it's more natural instinct that is learned over years of trial and error as survival as a species

So basically you're saying that whether stealing is good or bad was key to our survival?

no i'm saying that until man made such a thing as personal property there was no concept of stealing, or moral choice to it, and depending on how/where you grow up now, it's not necessarily a morality choice

If Man invented the concept of personal property, why do animals guard territories, hoards of food and offspring? Surely they must feel some sort of ownership to act in such a way?

Morality comes from being a species with enormously heightened empathy. We need it to communicate with each other effectively and to second-guess competitors, predators and prey's actions in order to win at life. Empathy exists in other animals (and in extinct hominids), but none as distinctly as humans... it's only logical we have a fairly natural moral code.

[deadly_habit]

nope. how is it illogical if God the Father says those things? It's God the Son who came as a man.

But it's still fucking GOD! Damnit I hate that trinity bullshit that you christians had to come up with to still qualify as a monotheistic religion. It makes no sense whatsoever.

How does it not make sense? Does it not make sense for a band to have more than one member? Drummer, Bassist, and Singer/Guitarist...theres three in one. Three Members, One Band. Three Beings, One God.

[bRRRz]

not to mention the amounts of persecution dealt out in the past to "heretics", "witches" etc basically anyone who begged to differ with the christian empire, science being one of them

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure god was into that. He certainly seems like a pretty violent mofo to me.

[deadly_habit]

Can someone explain to me how we developed a moral compass through evolution?

because man is a pack animal and like it or not we behave pretty much like any other group of animals
just because we can vocalize/write/communicate these "morals" doesn't mean we don't behave like other animals
it's more natural instinct that is learned over years of trial and error as survival as a species

So basically you're saying that whether stealing is good or bad was key to our survival?

no i'm saying that until man made such a thing as personal property there was no concept of stealing, or moral choice to it, and depending on how/where you grow up now, it's not necessarily a morality choice

If Man invented the concept of personal property, why do animals guard territories, hoards of food and offspring? Surely they must feel some sort of ownership to act in such a way?

Morality comes from being a species with enormously heightened empathy. We need it to communicate with each other effectively and to second-guess competitors, predators and prey's actions in order to win at life. Empathy exists in other animals (and in extinct hominids), but none as distinctly as humans... it's only logical we have a fairly natural moral code.

like i said it's a pack mentality, look at how we allow ourselves to be controlled and governed even in a family, there is still the same concept as an alpha male etc
and yea it's logical we have some base idea of right and wrong that evolved with us as a species since it's what worked to keep us around so long, otherwise we'd be extinct by now

[deadly_habit]

not to mention the amounts of persecution dealt out in the past to "heretics", "witches" etc basically anyone who begged to differ with the christian empire, science being one of them

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure god was into that. He certainly seems like a pretty violent mofo to me.

yep
the old testament is blood, guts, war and a vengeful god
the new testament is nahhh bro forget that love your neighbor, turn to other check