In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[fractal]

^nah, you're a good seed!

[brasco]

Plastician says majority of forum are pricks

Majority of forum proceeds to act like pricks

We've lined our crops with pesticides to keep the bugs out and consequently poisoned our own consumption. That's his point.

who's acted like a prick in this thread then?

[garethom]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

[espire]

Plastician says majority of forum are pricks

Majority of forum proceeds to act like pricks

We've lined our crops with pesticides to keep the bugs out and consequently poisoned our own consumption. That's his point.

???

[slanguage]

i think he just thinks its sad that all styles of dubstep can't exist in harmony on this forum. It would be nice, but i can't see people not taking the opportunity to talk shit in threads about artists and music they don't even care about... i also think its too bad we can't incorporate all of the scene here. to me the hyper "filthy" sound is a lot like the dungeon sound: it's just a tiny sliver of the sound that gets rather dull after about half an hour of the same stuff.... but i am still interested in what may evolve out of it. every now and then someone does something new and exciting

this is so true. I got into an argument with a mate because i said the 'dungeon' sound was starting to bore me to tears, and that the people hardcore championing it were no different than those that are deeply into brostep


variety is the spice of life as they say


but i have to ask, where are the elitist comments and people acting like pricks? if you're going to make comments like that. Please back it up with quotes.

[fractal]

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

truth

[FuDuzn]

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it's not as simple as that is it? If we use tact we can agree to disagree and not drive an entire group of people away imo. If people just bigged up what they loved and left it at that, this place would be awesome. Threads filled only with those who are interested and invested into the topic could go a lot farther than threads that devolve into bashing and snide remarks. What would you visit more, a blog filled with music you care about or a blog that just complains about music it hates? Maybe I'm just ignorantly optimistic

I agree that blatant bashing is no good, but nothing wrong with constructive criticism. I don't make music, just a fan, so maybe I can't relate. But if I were to make a tune and you thought it was crap, I would want you to tell me. And to be honest if some tnuc posted simply to tell me how shitty I was and I should go kill myself and UKF forum is where I should be then fuck him, I am not making music for him anyways.

[DREdio]

Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

this is exactly why i come here. its a great place to discover new artist, learn about upcoming events in my area and discuss music i enjoy. the dungeon thread, yunx thread and many of the artist appreciation threads are constructive and informative. if it weren't for DSF i woud most likely not have been exposed to the majority of artists that i enjoy in the dubstep world.

[ultraspatial]

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it's not as simple as that is it? If we use tact we can agree to disagree and not drive an entire group of people away imo. If people just bigged up what they loved and left it at that, this place would be awesome. Threads filled only with those who are interested and invested into the topic could go a lot farther than threads that devolve into bashing and snide remarks. What would you visit more, a blog filled with music you care about or a blog that just complains about music it hates? Maybe I'm just ignorantly optimistic

I agree that blatant bashing is no good, but nothing wrong with constructive criticism. I don't make music, just a fan, so maybe I can't relate. But if I were to make a tune and you thought it was crap, I would want you to tell me. And to be honest if some tnuc posted simply to tell me how shitty I was and I should go kill myself and UKF forum is where I should be then fuck him, I am not making music for him anyways.

nah, it's far better to start a thread criticising the entire forum.

[pkay]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

I just think it's kind of comedic that specifically the General Discussion forum has become so reflex oriented with negativity that it becomes an instant reaction, even in this thread, where a pillar of our community is trying to shine a light on the fact that instead of alienating brosteppers from the dubstep scene, they're instead alienating people who founded dubstep.

Break it down to what it literally is. People feel threatened that brosteps meteoric rise to the top will cause their favorite artists to either A) Compromise their integrity or B) Become irrelevant an inable to provide them with fresh music. So people freak out and make, specifically this sub forum, a chaotic and hostile place for a certain group of folks.

Plasticians post should alert some folks, that as a consequence, you're alienating the forum from a stellar amount of djs and producers that as fans we appreciate having access to.

The same thing happened on DOA. back in 2001 or so we used to be able to have daily chats with Dylan, Pendelum folks, Concord Dawn folks, Evol Intent members, Bad Company members, Robyn, Hive, Dom, AK1200, Rob Playford, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on and on. We literally used to set up AIM chatrooms and be able to sit and chat with these folks. But we got so fucking negative towards clownsteppers, and what "real drum and bass' was that we made the entire forum toxic and instead of alienating "the idiots from dnb arena" we created our own little island where no one, including the people we admired, wanted to show their face at because it was so fucking negative.

SNH, where we debate and have conflict over issues on the daily, is still met with a certain level of respect that even at the end of the day if our opinions differ, we'd still rather hang out with SNH folk than not. That same vibe doesnt exist on this sub forum. It's a literal fuck you to those who are different. It's become campy, and divisive.

[AllNightDayDream]

Plastician says majority of forum are pricks

Majority of forum proceeds to act like pricks

We've lined our crops with pesticides to keep the bugs out and consequently poisoned our own consumption. That's his point.

[cityzen]

Pkay on point

[Naan_Bread]

Generally when someone gets trolled or flamed it's more to do with them being ignorant, self righteous, disrespectful pricks than their actual music taste.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

just add a brostep subforum. Simple.

[Raad]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

Plasticians post should alert some folks, that as a consequence, you're alienating the forum from a stellar amount of djs and producers that as fans we appreciate having access to.

This is actually a very good point. One obvious example is the recent wave of senseless bashing against Skream. I think that showed Skream and lots of his friends (which, let's face it, is basically 80% of the founding scene) a rather ugly side of the fans who post here,

[garethom]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

I just think it's kind of comedic that specifically the General Discussion forum has become so reflex oriented with negativity that it becomes an instant reaction, even in this thread, where a pillar of our community is trying to shine a light on the fact that instead of alienating brosteppers from the dubstep scene, they're instead alienating people who founded dubstep.

Break it down to what it literally is. People feel threatened that brosteps meteoric rise to the top will cause their favorite artists to either A) Compromise their integrity or B) Become irrelevant an inable to provide them with fresh music. So people freak out and make, specifically this sub forum, a chaotic and hostile place for a certain group of folks.

Plasticians post should alert some folks, that as a consequence, you're alienating the forum from a stellar amount of djs and producers that as fans we appreciate having access to.

The same thing happened on DOA. back in 2001 or so we used to be able to have daily chats with Dylan, Pendelum folks, Concord Dawn folks, Evol Intent members, Bad Company members, Robyn, Hive, Dom, AK1200, Rob Playford, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on and on. We literally used to set up AIM chatrooms and be able to sit and chat with these folks. But we got so fucking negative towards clownsteppers, and what "real drum and bass' was that we made the entire forum toxic and instead of alienating "the idiots from dnb arena" we created our own little island where no one, including the people we admired, wanted to show their face at because it was so fucking negative.

SNH, where we debate and have conflict over issues on the daily, is still met with a certain level of respect that even at the end of the day if our opinions differ, we'd still rather hang out with SNH folk than not. That same vibe doesnt exist on this sub forum. It's a literal fuck you to those who are different. It's become campy, and divisive.

I can see your point man, but there is so little of this compared to what people say there is! Yeah, there are a handful of bods that will refuse to accept some people just like brostep or whatever, but it happens so rarely. I dunno, maybe it's just me. I have the ability to pass over these threads that are supposedly everywhere, and I magically gravitate to all the ones that show me great music and places where I can have balanced discussions about shit.

[wizeguy]

just add a brostep subforum. Simple.

gotta be the way forward surely

[Molzie]

Pkay on point

this

just add a brostep subforum. Simple.

and this

[Sexual_Chocolate]

just add a brostep subforum. Simple.

gotta be the way forward surely

well, the majority of us wouldnt post, or even venture there, but atleast it would give a place for people who do enjoy the sound to chat shit about it....

[pikeymobile]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

I just think it's kind of comedic that specifically the General Discussion forum has become so reflex oriented with negativity that it becomes an instant reaction, even in this thread, where a pillar of our community is trying to shine a light on the fact that instead of alienating brosteppers from the dubstep scene, they're instead alienating people who founded dubstep.

Break it down to what it literally is. People feel threatened that brosteps meteoric rise to the top will cause their favorite artists to either A) Compromise their integrity or B) Become irrelevant an inable to provide them with fresh music. So people freak out and make, specifically this sub forum, a chaotic and hostile place for a certain group of folks.

Plasticians post should alert some folks, that as a consequence, you're alienating the forum from a stellar amount of djs and producers that as fans we appreciate having access to.

The same thing happened on DOA. back in 2001 or so we used to be able to have daily chats with Dylan, Pendelum folks, Concord Dawn folks, Evol Intent members, Bad Company members, Robyn, Hive, Dom, AK1200, Rob Playford, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on and on. We literally used to set up AIM chatrooms and be able to sit and chat with these folks. But we got so fucking negative towards clownsteppers, and what "real drum and bass' was that we made the entire forum toxic and instead of alienating "the idiots from dnb arena" we created our own little island where no one, including the people we admired, wanted to show their face at because it was so fucking negative.

SNH, where we debate and have conflict over issues on the daily, is still met with a certain level of respect that even at the end of the day if our opinions differ, we'd still rather hang out with SNH folk than not. That same vibe doesnt exist on this sub forum. It's a literal fuck you to those who are different. It's become campy, and divisive.

I can see your point man, but there is so little of this compared to what people say there is! Yeah, there are a handful of bods that will refuse to accept some people just like brostep or whatever, but it happens so rarely. I dunno, maybe it's just me. I have the ability to pass over these threads that are supposedly everywhere, and I magically gravitate to all the ones that show me great music and places where I can have balanced discussions about shit.

Pretty much, i've not really seen any "hate" for fucking ages. I just bounce around the house and music release forums though. You get people in the threads I read all the time saying "I'm not feeling this" and no one gets offended. You don't see Mala coming on and flouncing just cos someone didn't like his drum fills.