Skream - 2D on SNL?

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:40 pm

quoted for truth

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:47 pm

showguns wrote:quoted for truth

Cheers

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:55 pm

Shonky wrote:
showguns wrote:quoted for truth
Cheers

QFT

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm

Shonky wrote:I'm not a massive Skream fan but I thought this was the best tune he's done to date

What's with all this "boo hoo, it's cheating" bullshit? What about all these people using sine waves - it's been done guys use a new waveform ffs.

Fair play to him, I've never found a preset that was worth using without substantial tweaking and he's created a good tune, so maybe you should be shutting the fuck up yeah?

Hmmm, well since y'all have such a say in the matter...

Wait a minute! Y'all don't have ANY say in the matter!

You know what I'D do if I didn't have any say in it?

I'd shutthefuckup....

SHUT...............THE..................FUCK....................UP

sines · Post by **sines** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:34 pm

gravious wrote:
Shonky wrote:I'm not a massive Skream fan but I thought this was the best tune he's done to date

What's with all this "boo hoo, it's cheating" bullshit? What about all these people using sine waves - it's been done guys use a new waveform ffs.

Fair play to him, I've never found a preset that was worth using without substantial tweaking and he's created a good tune, so maybe you should be shutting the fuck up yeah?
Hmmm, well since y'all have such a say in the matter...

Wait a minute! Y'all don't have ANY say in the matter!

You know what I'D do if I didn't have any say in it?

I'd shutthefuckup....

SHUT...............THE..................FUCK....................UP

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:37 am

wow, no way I'm going to read this thread.

quietmouse · Post by **quietmouse** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:56 am

relaks wrote:wow, no way I'm going to read this thread.

You don't have to read it to know what was said.

will · Post by **will** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:50 am

personally slightly disappointed as i was thinking skream was an absolute genius for creating the whole melody. still cant blame the lad, sounds sick as a dubstep tune and thats that really.

there are people that need to stop taking criticism of skreams tunes as personal insults, its a bloody discussion board alreeet

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:36 pm

why the agression and all this "why don't you just shut the fuck up"-ranting?
this and every forum is about discussion, positive or negative, and it seems you don't understand the point of it at all by telling people to shut up...you can chat what you want to, i don't care, but i still wouldn't tell you to shut up.

i guess some "dubstep-heads" can't handle if anything is criticized even the slightest bit, and that chat about "copying the same sine waveform" is just plain silly every freaking synth is based on waveforms, an a sine form is basically always the same, but has some differences in sound depending on who built the synth or who programmed the plug-in...

of course i enjoy the tune as much as anybody else, and most of the people that have posted "criticism" still liked the tune as a tune. this discussion is more about what is creative, and using a rythmic-melodic preset as the foundation of a complete tune might sound good but still isn't the most exciting way of making music... but, still the tune is good.

but i've noticed this quite often, on this board, that people tend to jump on critics and get kind of personal. i don't get the beef that a lot of people have. especially when somebody says "i don't like dubstep" (i do) or something similar, a lot of the replies tend to be something stupid or "shut the fuck up"-style... seems kind of childish to me. people gotta be able to cope with criticism of their most beloved tunes without flipping out.

@ will: exactly what i'm talking about. big up

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:42 pm

Will wrote:there are people that need to stop taking criticism of skreams tunes as personal insults, its a bloody discussion board alreeet

I agree with u, this is one of the reasons I had my thread removed the past weeks ago

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:57 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:why the agression and all this "why don't you just shut the fuck up"-ranting?

Just having a laugh mate. cos the whole discussion about 2D (and its implications) was done to death in previous threads.

And also, this thread seems to highlight a trend of over-analysis on this forum, which can get a little tiresome (for me anyway).

I should probably just read less stuff.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:06 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:why the agression and all this "why don't you just shut the fuck up"-ranting?
this and every forum is about discussion, positive or negative, and it seems you don't understand the point of it at all by telling people to shut up...you can chat what you want to, i don't care, but i still wouldn't tell you to shut up.

write paragraphs not essays

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:15 pm

@ gravious: ok. that might be true, i didn't see the previous posts so sorry for bringing it up yet again!

@ forsensix: ? so i guess you don't like it that i write so "much" just because i don't use blunt statements? damn, i guess you really must have a hard time reading or something. have you ever read a book or do you just read "the sun"? then you better not read the rest of my posts cause it's more than 2 sentences...

@ gravious: you're also right about the over-analysis...in the end it's just about how it sounds, but i do, personally, see a danger in dubstep being extremely repetitive. (which it is to a certain extent already). and as far as the "formulating" of dubstep goes i think it's already there. basically a lot of tunes from various producers sounds extremely similar (especially the wobbler type gang, haha).. i mean, i like the tunes, but not sure if that will be the stuff that really lasts. anti war dub, kode9 stuff, certain skream tunes, they sound like future and will last for a long while i think, a lot of the other stuff just satisfies the "need of new tunes" (making new tunes so that you can cut them on dub, aswell as dj-friends, and play them out...which is fine and of course the reason of dubplates)... but i'm missing tunes that really sounds like an individual musical artwork, not "just" dj-tools (although i enjoy them).. hymns, tunes where every little detail and break is perfect (and not in the d'n'b way, as far as engineering goes, i mean musically, especially creative arrangements)..

a lot of dubstep tunes start with hihats and little bit snares, then some synth rises and rises till it reaches a climas, that's when the whole beat starts with a nice sub. that goes on for a bit, then a break, and then we have the killer bass drop... that goes on for a 1-2 minute, or longer ,then we have another longer break with pads and synths sound, slightly spacedy and then the whole beat bass thing starts again...

this of course is over simplified but i'm exaggerating a bit, but that's the feeling i get from a lot of new releases...

and don't get me wrong, this is something fresh, i like the minimal approach but i'm looking for a bit more details (that you only notice when you've listened to the tune over an over)....

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:31 pm

gravious wrote: And also, this thread seems to highlight a trend of over-analysis on this forum, which can get a little tiresome (for me anyway).

As the man said, it is a discussion forum...

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:46 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:
@ forsensix: ? so i guess you don't like it that i write so "much" just because i don't use blunt statements? damn, i guess you really must have a hard time reading or something. have you ever read a book or do you just read "the sun"? then you better not read the rest of my posts cause it's more than 2 sentences...

I read lots of books actually cos they are interesting and no I read the Guardian actually which has some good journalism although the spelling can sometimes be as bad as yours

I just have a hard time reading boring drawn out drivel

ragoju · Post by **ragoju** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:49 pm

Big tune regardless.

Bare chin strokers in this thread.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:54 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:a lot of dubstep tunes start with hihats and little bit snares, then some synth rises and rises till it reaches a climas, that's when the whole beat starts with a nice sub. that goes on for a bit, then a break, and then we have the killer bass drop... that goes on for a 1-2 minute, or longer ,then we have another longer break with pads and synths sound, slightly spacedy and then the whole beat bass thing starts again...

This is actually pretty spot on, listened to about ten dubstep tunes the other day and they all seemed to be based on this formula, which I already have numerous variations of and don't really need any more of. That level of genericism really isn't what dubstep should be about to my mind, but it's what people seem to buy so that's what the labels keep putting out. It's not getting my dollars for sure.

I think the whole getting pissed off about preset usage is a bit lame though because ultimately it's hearing something that can be utilised and using it. I suppose he could have tinkered with it some more and come up with a new sound, but really that's his choice. It's a dancefloor tune, it needs to make people dance. Non-musicians don't really care as long as it works in the dance. You might as well complain about James Brown's lyrics being simplistic, but that misses the whole point.

There's plenty of tunes that have been released that I think are ok but nothing special and in some cases plain tedious, but I don't really see the point in dissing it because it's not to my tastes. I'm not even particularly a Skream fan (I prefer the tunes on Box of Dub to the majority of his releases in the last few years), and I'm certainly not precious about defending dubstep.

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:16 pm

the Guardian actually which has some good journalism

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Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:22 pm

Slothrop wrote:
gravious wrote: And also, this thread seems to highlight a trend of over-analysis on this forum, which can get a little tiresome (for me anyway).
As the man said, it is a discussion forum...

No point making yourself sick at an all you can eat buffet though, eh?

dubwise_gamgee · Post by **dubwise_gamgee** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:23 pm

@ forensix: ok. it seems that you are literate but if you think my posts (which might be a bit longer than the standard one statement post, true) are boring, it doesn't bother me the slightest bit.
and yeah, true about the grammar. i write fast so sometimes it's a bit f-ed.

at least you could tell me why and what you think about this. instead you just choose the easy way by making short fairly pointless statements (as far as the topic of this discussion goes). i try to formulate my ideas about music and current things going on in dubstep(production-wise). i could also just say "2d is a preset, i think that's a quite boring way of making a tune. but it still is a good tune in a dance!"

that statement, which i'm sure waters your mouth in it's straightforwardness and shortness, still doesn't adequately describe what i think on this topic of presets/production in general.. that's why i don't post stuff in such a fashion, cause it doesn't lead anywhere in a discussion.

if you think my posts are boring why reply to them at all? i mean at least make a point about this topic.
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@ shonky:
true. i'm not dissing 2d, as i've said. heavy tune. but there is more to music then just using presets some people programmed for you in a studio somewhere else. sampling off records is something entirely different, because one takes something out of context and turns it into a new piece of art. a preset in a synth made for electronic music and putting this in a electronic track isn't the most exciting way of making music, but at least skream did it a fashion that sounds really good. (because a lot of presets just sound shitty most of the time, if you don't tweak 'em)

and especially in 2d, it's not entirely about the "preset" but about the fact, that this preset basically makes up the whole tune. it's the leading melody and foundation of the whole tune. to me, it somehow seems "to easy" productionwise (even if it is a heavy club banger). i don't hear the creative effort... but maybe i have to high-standards regarding the creation of new music..don't know..

in general: from my point of view, this discussion was never a diss to skream or any of the current dope producers. i mean, he produces sick tunes and i have most the stuff myself on vinyl. i don't like every single tune, but there is a shitload of heavy tunes he's made...imagine the quantity of his work in comparison to the quality. that's a pretty good ratio.

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