Dubstep and Ketamine

[DeepThought]

If you're into K, you can either:
a) fuck off back to Goa, or
b) gas yourself in your own oven.

lol.. so youre not a k fan then joe??

[joseph-j]

If you're into K, you can either:
a) fuck off back to Goa, or
b) gas yourself in your own oven.

lol.. so youre not a k fan then joe??

Mate, you can read me like a book. I dunno, I could have got into it a few years ago, but guess what? I grew up.

[ufo over easy]

Mate, you can read me like a book.

And not a very good one!

[elgato]

Fuck me

Ive tried to keep my nose out, but i cant any more. I just cannot believe how much ignorance and hypocrisy there is banging about this fucking thread. Its crazy. If its not your thing then thats fine maybe your loss, maybe not, but to be so dismissive and aggressive about other peoples' choices is absolutely ridiculous, especially when enough of you are blazing down skunk and even advocating it at the same time! The drug which has brought me personally closest to breaking point is skunk, it consumed my life for a long long time, and i suspect it has left me with long term problems. Skunk is far from herbal nowadays, its just as manufactured and chemically manipulated as any powder you choose to talk about. Yeh so a lot of people act like fools on ket, but more do on alcohol, bare people fucking batter each other on alcohol, doesnt mean im never going to drink or im gonna go round accusing people of being idiots and wastemen and whatever else for choosing to do so. Im open to discussion about why people feel so strongly about it, but all ive heard is dismissal and derision without anything to back it up

[joseph-j]

all ive heard is dismissal and derision without anything to back it up

Yup. We all have our vices, but some are stupider than others.

K is a waste drug for kids. I don't need to back this up, its as sad as people who get paraletic (spelling Joe) on beer, skunk, whatever. Everything's in moderation, but K as a drug isn't about moderation, and as soon as drugs like that become involved in a scene, it all goes to hell (witness: pills + dnb). Thats why I get so riled when I see it on a dubstep board.

You can chill and have a bit of a smoke or a drink, but if you want to get that whacked, you're lost on me son.

[ufo over easy]

and as soon as drugs like that become involved in a scene, it all goes to hell (witness: pills + dnb)

Don't be daft, jungle was founded on ecstacy... not just with the ravers either. There's an interview with Goldie somewhere where he was talking about Terminator being penned whilst totally mashed, with the aim being for the drop to provide the biggest rush of euphoria to anyone who happened to hear it.

Drum and bass and pills is far from a new thing. If I was to blame the decline of drum and bass on any drug, it'd be coke.

[elgato]

I agree that drugs are about moderation, but i feel that that appropriate moderation can come in terms of intensity of habit and balance of approach rather than just constant limitation of the intensity of the experience. I dont want to get that fucked that often, but i think to say that any desire to do so, and experience the changes of consciousness which come with that, is waste behaviour or whatever is too much. The experiences i have had when very very fucked (not necessarily on k) have been some of the most formative of my life

i also dont know why you think that k is a matter of all or nothing, many times ive taken a tiny touch and been basically fine in outward appearance, but had the slight twist to consciousness that i enjoy, often far less intense than times ive had on skunk

[casino addict]

Fuck me

Ive tried to keep my nose out, but i cant any more. I just cannot believe how much ignorance and hypocrisy there is banging about this fucking thread. Its crazy. If its not your thing then thats fine maybe your loss, maybe not, but to be so dismissive and aggressive about other peoples' choices is absolutely ridiculous, especially when enough of you are blazing down skunk and even advocating it at the same time! The drug which has brought me personally closest to breaking point is skunk, it consumed my life for a long long time, and i suspect it has left me with long term problems. Skunk is far from herbal nowadays, its just as manufactured and chemically manipulated as any powder you choose to talk about. Yeh so a lot of people act like fools on ket, but more do on alcohol, bare people fucking batter each other on alcohol, doesnt mean im never going to drink or im gonna go round accusing people of being idiots and wastemen and whatever else for choosing to do so. Im open to discussion about why people feel so strongly about it, but all ive heard is dismissal and derision without anything to back it up

Werd.

Yeah, all drugs present a use/abuse issue, and each case depends on people's physical and mental tolerance.

As for skunk... It took me to breaking point too. I reckon the UK is going to have an epidemic of people who have lost it on skunk in a few years time. I used to smoke that shit for breakfast, now I won't touch it with a barge pole. I spoke to a doctor friend about it recently... he said 'hash and grass, fine...' but 'seriously, don't ever smoke skunk again'.

[paulie]

I agree that drugs are about moderation, but i feel that that appropriate moderation can come in terms of intensity of habit and balance of approach rather than just constant limitation of the intensity of the experience. I dont want to get that fucked that often, but i think to say that any desire to do so, and experience the changes of consciousness which come with that, is waste behaviour or whatever is too much. The experiences i have had when very very fucked (not necessarily on k) have been some of the most formative of my life

i also dont know why you think that k is a matter of all or nothing, many times ive taken a tiny touch and been basically fine in outward appearance, but had the slight twist to consciousness that i enjoy, often far less intense than times ive had on skunk

Word.

[jera]

I spoke to a doctor friend about it recently... he said 'hash and grass, fine...' but 'seriously, don't ever smoke skunk again'.

well thats where theres a problem....i can only get my hands on skunk or resin(not the proper resin)

[bludblikro]

I spoke to a doctor friend about it recently... he said 'hash and grass, fine...' but 'seriously, don't ever smoke skunk again'.

well thats where theres a problem....i can only get my hands on skunk or resin(not the proper resin)

yep only the resin full of chemicals n bull. i had proiper reasin in ma latest spell in portugal... what bout diff grades of skunk ortrhey all equally bad...dn ttell me the merkers like blueberries r the worst..they shud b d bst cos they jus so damn nice lol

[subliminal]

feel bad for those of you smoking chemically manufactured herb

its just weird to hear people say they ruined their lives on herb


"I sucked dick for cocaine! Have you ever sucked dick for marijuana?" - Half Baked

[shonky]

Tried to go to a free party on Saturday, that ended up getting busted, so we all ended up on a layby waiting for a taxi - car drove up, bloke got out of the car, tried to nab some booze off a mate, punched a guy and got knocked down. Chatting to him later turns out that the people he was with that he'd never met before gave him k and crack - he was very fucked up to say the least. Never tried either before and I think after a quick chat he was unlikely to again.

Just say no to CK1, kids. If that's what your life needs, I suggest counsellling...

[mrjiggyfly]

Skunk is far from herbal nowadays, its just as manufactured and chemically manipulated as any powder you choose to talk about.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous staements I've read on here! You obviously haven't a clue about the herb. The herb is stronger now days because breeders have spent many years cross breeding some of the best genetics they can find, thus more potent pot. "Chemical manipulation", Ha , pure rubbish!!! Even if someone uses growth hormones etc., chemicals of any sort are not going to make the potency of the herb any better or worse. The potency potential is wrapped up in the genetic code of the strain. If you have shitty genetics , you get shitty pot, if you have excellent genetics , and its done right, you should get excellent pot.

What exactly do you mean by "manufactured" . All pot is grown by one method or another.

If I've misinterpreted your point some how then, my bad.

[mrjiggyfly]

Fuck me

Ive tried to keep my nose out, but i cant any more. I just cannot believe how much ignorance and hypocrisy there is banging about this fucking thread. Its crazy. If its not your thing then thats fine maybe your loss, maybe not, but to be so dismissive and aggressive about other peoples' choices is absolutely ridiculous, especially when enough of you are blazing down skunk and even advocating it at the same time! The drug which has brought me personally closest to breaking point is skunk, it consumed my life for a long long time, and i suspect it has left me with long term problems. Skunk is far from herbal nowadays, its just as manufactured and chemically manipulated as any powder you choose to talk about. Yeh so a lot of people act like fools on ket, but more do on alcohol, bare people fucking batter each other on alcohol, doesnt mean im never going to drink or im gonna go round accusing people of being idiots and wastemen and whatever else for choosing to do so. Im open to discussion about why people feel so strongly about it, but all ive heard is dismissal and derision without anything to back it up

Werd.

Yeah, all drugs present a use/abuse issue, and each case depends on people's physical and mental tolerance.

As for skunk... It took me to breaking point too. I reckon the UK is going to have an epidemic of people who have lost it on skunk in a few years time. I used to smoke that shit for breakfast, now I won't touch it with a barge pole. I spoke to a doctor friend about it recently... he said 'hash and grass, fine...' but 'seriously, don't ever smoke skunk again'.

Whoa, missed this before I posted the last time.This just might take the award for most ridiculous statement EVER.

Hash, grass , skunk. SAME FUCKING THING!!!

Tetrahydrocannabinol(thc) is the MAIN active ingredient in all of these

Only part of this that makes any damn sense, is about hash.

Hashish can be produced by some pretty foul chemical extraction methods, so the potential for smoking some nasty crap exists. On the other hand, if the hash is made using the cold water extraction method ie. Bubblehash, then the only thing used to extract the active ingredients is : ice water, buds or shake , and various bags with different micron screens.

Misinformaation such as this is the main reason such ridiculous fucking drug laws exist in the first place.

Unbelievable

[billy blanks]

MRJIGGYFLY u seem to know alot about draw in general. well done. i think everyone is now aware of how much u seem to know about draw. u know one hell of alot about draw. in future, if i have any questions regarding any domain concerning draw i will without question ask u, because ur evidently the man who knows about draw.

however...

u seemed to have entirely missed the point about what has been said by specific individuals, and also what the point of this thread is, assuming i have interpreted the thread correctly.

i will not now deride u like u have others, however i just wanted to point out that the comments being made before, which u have replied to in such a flamboyant way were designed to make the point that skunk, regardless of its fundamental make up, can be a very damaging drug for one's mind (and body). these comments were being made, quite rightly, in response to other coments regarding how ketmaine can be very damaging for one's mind (and body). the analogy is almost too obvious to state, with the constant in both cases being, in general, an intemperate attitude taken into the consumption of both drugs.

so u see the man may be mistaken wrt the manner in which skunk is produced, (i dont know myself to be fair, i feel so inadequate), but it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, because the much more interesting and formative point remains in tact.

but as i said, i envy ur knowledge of draw, and u know lots about draw. please tell us more about draw wenever u feel to. cheers.

[mrjiggyfly]

MRJIGGYFLY u seem to know alot about draw in general. well done. i think everyone is now aware of how much u seem to know about draw. u know one hell of alot about draw. in future, if i have any questions regarding any domain concerning draw i will without question ask u, because ur evidently the man who knows about draw.

however...

u seemed to have entirely missed the point about what has been said by specific individuals, and also what the point of this thread is, assuming i have interpreted the thread correctly.

i will not now deride u like u have others, however i just wanted to point out that the comments being made before, which u have replied to in such a flamboyant way were designed to make the point that skunk, regardless of its fundamental make up, can be a very damaging drug for one's mind (and body). these comments were being made, quite rightly, in response to other coments regarding how ketmaine can be very damaging for one's mind (and body). the analogy is almost too obvious to state, with the constant in both cases being, in general, an intemperate attitude taken into the consumption of both drugs.

so u see the man may be mistaken wrt the manner in which skunk is produced, (i dont know myself to be fair, i feel so inadequate), but it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, because the much more interesting and formative point remains in tact.

but as i said, i envy ur knowledge of draw, and u know lots about draw. please tell us more about draw wenever u feel to. cheers.

Don't patronize me bro!

Herb should not be compared to hard drugs period!!

I'll say it again, misinformation about herb and comparing the damage it can do with hard drugs will never lead to sensible drug policy

I'm sure K has fucked up lives , but I just don't buy it that herb has any where near the same effect.

[casino addict]

MRJIGGYFLY...

Yes, of course I'm aware THC is the same active ingredient in skunk, hash, grass...

I also know that alcohol is what makes you drunk when you consume beer, wine, vodka...

Now, think about this: if my favourite alcoholic tipple is 5% proof, it's probably less harmful than if my favourite alcoholic tipple was, say, 60%.

Unless you're trying to say that all dope is the same strength (which I very much doubt, given your evident worldly knowledge of the subject), I suggest you put that spliff down and consider, for a moment, that smoking a nice bit of pure pollen might be slightly less likely to upset the mental applecart of a person than a gnarly hybrid skunk, bred to be as potent as fucking possible.

[ufo over easy]

Don't patronize me bro!

Herb should not be compared to hard drugs period!!

I'll say it again, misinformation about herb and comparing the damage it can do with hard drugs will never lead to sensible drug policy

I'm sure K has fucked up lives , but I just don't buy it that herb has any where near the same effect.

I think the problem with skunk is that it's so easy to batter, constantly, for years, for loads of different reasons. It's possible to function, and lead your life even if you smoke constantly, which I guess leads people to believe it's totally harmless, which isn't really true of substance.

[billy blanks]

i will more than happily refrain from my patronising tone if u refrain from ur insulting, rude and childish tone toward others.

in response to what u've just said;

i agree that misinformation will lead to erratic and irrational viewpoints. we dont want that.

now although i have no idea how it is in california, or anywhere in america for that matter, i can speak with a certain amount of empirical justification wrt london. i have 'seen' skunk do an inordinate amount of damge to the minds of a number of people, some of which i am/was very close to. now to clarify, i dont think this is an objective property of skunk, i.e. i dont think that skunk will invariably fuck the mind of every individual that comes into contact with it regardless of amount and frequency of consumption. but nor do i think this of ketamine. and to this extent, in my opinion, the analogy between skunk and ket is perfectly acceptable, and thus a justified comparison in so far as it is.

ketamine can be consumed in such a manner as to enhance someones experiences without turning them into 'wastemen' and the other terms that have been thrown around in this thread. for the obviously limited value that they have, my experiences are comprised of many many close friends having severe issues due to an excessive use of skunk given the ages they were and the states of mind they were already in. that is, their lives were certainly 'fucked up'. my experiences may be exceptions to the objective norm, i am willing to accept that. however for u to speak so affirmatively based on ur equivalent experiences suggests that ur not as willing to do so.

finally, i'm not here advocating the use of ket, nor am i advising against. just making a point about subjectivity and i guess moderation.





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