Is this subforum necessary?

pidge · Post by **pidge** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:15 pm

dubway wrote:
claw wrote:can we have a proper hiphop forum please?
no problem if you ask me.

i wanted to test the reaction with this, and then decide on Hiphop.

you think there is enough ppl into this idea?

I'd love a hiphop forum if it encompasses Skweee as well and other wonky shit. Though what do you call it without pissing everyone off and calling it 'wonky'

or maybe we just got to except wonky has stuck

claw wrote:id guess dubstep heads are more into hiphop than whatever flavor of the week genre gets made up

not true, funky is as much 'flovour of the month' as dubstep was 5 years ago. Also dubstep heads are more into funky then hiphop becuase funky is from London. Hence why there is bare funky threads and little wonky hiphop threads on this board

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:23 pm

dubway wrote:
£10 Bag wrote:and why bother calling it dubstepforum if you're going to do hip hop & 'funky' as well?
why bother with limits and boxes?

great question, you don't know the answer either though, or you'd have registered www.musicwithoutlimitsandboxesforum.com

you gotta see where people are coming from, saying this forum is pointless when the most posted in topic is the one questioning its validity!

yeah - all or nothing imo. i'm looking forward to the other music sections!
dub/reggae, hip hop/wonky, funky/house & other music, seems to make sense!

drksteppa · Post by **drksteppa** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:24 pm

pidge wrote:
claw wrote:lol @ this subforum

now we need the following subforums as well imho

wonky
post-wobble
neurostep
harddub
donk

im sure i could come up with a few more....but those extra 5 are a good start
You don't get it, funky is the continuation of dubstep. As jungle was to hardcore, as garage was to jungle and dubstep was to garage. Not continuation as evolved into, but more like influenced by and more importantly its the next big 'underground' dance music in London. Not saying those genres arn't continuations of dubstep, but they are not London based/influenced.

FSTZ wrote:
claw wrote:donk
!!!
I agree a donk section would be sick though.

Donk ftw!!!

ginsu · Post by **ginsu** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:55 pm

dub step heds have similar taste to me. so i appreciate hearing the funky that dubsteppers latch onto.

i dance so ive liked funky french house and ukg for years.

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:10 am

New Lil Silva = Not Boring
Cooly G on Hyperdub = Not Boring
Internet Politics = Boring

Are there any really good mixes knocking about since that HHB V Dubplate Wonder with the heroic tracklist efforts of David M?

BaronVon · Post by **BaronVon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:48 am

geiom wrote:Maybe this interest in funky and the resulting subforum is related to the way that quite a lot of dubstep now sounds like the horrible love child of heavy metal and modern drum and bass...

looks like there are quite a few forum folk who like dance music to be danceable and not totally aggro cave man style.

Here here

Why does all dance music created in the UK go this way??

skipple · Post by **skipple** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:01 am

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:
geiom wrote:Maybe this interest in funky and the resulting subforum is related to the way that quite a lot of dubstep now sounds like the horrible love child of heavy metal and modern drum and bass...

looks like there are quite a few forum folk who like dance music to be danceable and not totally aggro cave man style.
Here here

Why does all dance music created in the UK go this way??

so that we can all listen to this level of freshness every few years...
nice remembering i'm allowed to get a boogie on in a rave aswell.

richb · Post by **richb** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:17 am

Interesting this. I feel that the interest in funky is definitely a kind of reaction to the cave man feel of some dubstep lately; y'know, feminine pressure and all that. Along of course with a common factor in uk music, a desire to find something new (and maybe just a little bit of being ahead of the pack;)

I know that recently i've enjoyed dancing more to this kind of music than to dubstep. Mostly to do with crowd and vibe (lets face it, we all like to rave with the ladies)

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:22 am

4linehaiku wrote:New Lil Silva = Not Boring
Cooly G on Hyperdub = Not Boring
Internet Politics = Boring

haha indeed

one opinion i can't help but state... funky isn't dubstep, nor is it a 'continuation' of dubstep. as far as i know dubstep had an extremely minimal role in its development, although maybe more so now in terms of how online media is presenting it and some people are receiving it. one or two producers might quote it as an influence but they are in a massive, massive minority. the scene and sound are built on different precedents, people, vibes and sounds. they share a fair number of things but i don't think that should be overstated, certainly not as justification for the sound. to define music's value in relation to a linear theory imo is crazy

getting worked up about subforums surely also is crazy

geiom · Post by **geiom** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:38 am

elgato wrote:
funky isn't dubstep, nor is it a 'continuation' of dubstep.

the scene and sound are built on different precedents, people, vibes and sounds.

very true

I bet some of the funky producers are baffled by the interest from the world of dubstep....

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:49 am

RichB wrote:Interesting this. I feel that the interest in funky is definitely a kind of reaction to the cave man feel of some dubstep lately; y'know, feminine pressure and all that. Along of course with a common factor in uk music, a desire to find something new (and maybe just a little bit of being ahead of the pack;)

I know that recently i've enjoyed dancing more to this kind of music than to dubstep. Mostly to do with crowd and vibe (lets face it, we all like to rave with the ladies)

i've been into house music for a long time, and what i always liked about house music was the 'bonus beats' on a record, just the bare groove with the odd stab here or there. so for me, the (not massive) amount of funky that i like is continuing that kinda vibe for me, albeit with a bit more grit, and bass

badga tek · Post by **badga tek** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:57 am

4linehaiku wrote:Cooly G on Hyperdub = Not Boring

4 Real? Hyperdub are going on like they're trying to monopolise all the good music in the world.

EDIT: Just seen the announcement on the main page. I hope that 'Cooly G dubplate' off her myspace is one of the tracks

colz · Post by **colz** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:00 pm

RichB wrote:
I know that recently i've enjoyed dancing more to this kind of music than to dubstep. Mostly to do with crowd and vibe (lets face it, we all like to rave with the ladies)

Q.E.D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLxr1giV9o

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0BGN_yBAnk

no brainer

powerpill · Post by **powerpill** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:50 pm

ladies insiiide! is that a record i see towards the end as well?!

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:21 pm

Colz wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLxr1giV9o

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0BGN_yBAnk

no brainer

I'd rather have http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZEhsnDcEK0 to be honest.

critical sound system · Post by **critical sound system** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:35 am

i saw Ramadanman it was sooooo boring.
i dont understand why people are so up for this funky crap.

optimum · Post by **optimum** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:47 am

elgato wrote:
4linehaiku wrote:New Lil Silva = Not Boring
Cooly G on Hyperdub = Not Boring
Internet Politics = Boring
haha indeed

one opinion i can't help but state... funky isn't dubstep, nor is it a 'continuation' of dubstep. as far as i know dubstep had an extremely minimal role in its development, although maybe more so now in terms of how online media is presenting it and some people are receiving it. one or two producers might quote it as an influence but they are in a massive, massive minority. the scene and sound are built on different precedents, people, vibes and sounds. they share a fair number of things but i don't think that should be overstated, certainly not as justification for the sound. to define music's value in relation to a linear theory imo is crazy

getting worked up about subforums surely also is crazy

Co-sign with all of the above

whygohome10 · Post by **whygohome10** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:10 am

optimum wrote:
elgato wrote:
4linehaiku wrote:New Lil Silva = Not Boring
Cooly G on Hyperdub = Not Boring
Internet Politics = Boring
haha indeed

one opinion i can't help but state... funky isn't dubstep, nor is it a 'continuation' of dubstep. as far as i know dubstep had an extremely minimal role in its development, although maybe more so now in terms of how online media is presenting it and some people are receiving it. one or two producers might quote it as an influence but they are in a massive, massive minority. the scene and sound are built on different precedents, people, vibes and sounds. they share a fair number of things but i don't think that should be overstated, certainly not as justification for the sound. to define music's value in relation to a linear theory imo is crazy

getting worked up about subforums surely also is crazy
Co-sign with all of the above

word word

word

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:29 pm

ramadanman wrote:
RichB wrote:Interesting this. I feel that the interest in funky is definitely a kind of reaction to the cave man feel of some dubstep lately; y'know, feminine pressure and all that. Along of course with a common factor in uk music, a desire to find something new (and maybe just a little bit of being ahead of the pack;)

I know that recently i've enjoyed dancing more to this kind of music than to dubstep. Mostly to do with crowd and vibe (lets face it, we all like to rave with the ladies)
i've been into house music for a long time, and what i always liked about house music was the 'bonus beats' on a record, just the bare groove with the odd stab here or there. so for me, the (not massive) amount of funky that i like is continuing that kinda vibe for me, albeit with a bit more grit, and bass

Me too. Acapellas - beat edits - long mixes. Loved upness - girls . Can't beat House

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:53 pm

I'm certainly in agreement that funky is tangentally related to Dubstep at best, certainly not some sort of progression, but it's undeniable that it's a sound of obvious interest to a sizable slice of Dubstep fans. Would it not maybe be a good idea to have a sticky in this subforum explaining what the hell this funky thing is all about, why dubsteppers should care and maybe some example mixes / producer myspaces whatever?
I know these topics have all occured multiple times around the forum, and even in the threads that have been moved here, but I still reckon a single stickied primer would do alot for anyone who sees the subforum and goes "Funky??".

I could probably bash something out if anyone reckons it's a decent idea. I'm thinking links to the Blackdown article where he chats with Geeneus, the funky primer by that Tim F fellow off ilx, the seminal Marcus Nasty v Mac 10 mix from September, the recent HHB v Dubplate Wonder mix with the tracklist by David M and maybe some other bits and pieces linked with my best stab at amateur music journalism.

Any thoughts on the matter?

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