shameless self promotion on this forum is getting very dull

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:06 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:still wondering whether their vinyl giveaway thread was a hoax designed to get the release more exposure or not..

haven't received a damn thing, was it just an elaborate trick to get my mailing address?

you won??

i won and received my records

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:15 pm

PENIS

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:16 pm

amisane wrote:check my tune!

http://www.foxdubs.com/mp3/Fox-boiler-s ... bs.com.mp3

i dig i dig

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:21 pm

tacospheros wrote:gotta agree that when a noob comes to the site asking "whats a good dubstep tune?" or "who are the top dubstep producers?" or whatever, its super gay when people post up their own tunes.

i think its pretty lame to ask, or answer those questions.

this is all you need to know ->>>>

WWW.GETDARKER.COM
WWW.BAREFILES.COM
http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/
http://www.digital-tunes.net/
http://boomkat.com/

dubstep NEEDS to remain a DIY culture to retain its purity.

once this board is flooded with wankers asking who they should listen to....

DO IT YOUSELF, it will be more rewarding.

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:22 pm

skrewface wrote:PENIS

kellydean · Post by **kellydean** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:02 pm

-boring wrote:
Jolly Wailer wrote:still wondering whether their vinyl giveaway thread was a hoax designed to get the release more exposure or not..

haven't received a damn thing, was it just an elaborate trick to get my mailing address?
you won??

i won and received my records

i never got mine......

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:16 pm

KellyDean wrote:
-boring wrote:
Jolly Wailer wrote:still wondering whether their vinyl giveaway thread was a hoax designed to get the release more exposure or not..

haven't received a damn thing, was it just an elaborate trick to get my mailing address?
you won??

i won and received my records
i never got mine......

really?

i would try PMing Tom ???
it took a few prompts but he got it out.
very appreciated to get free Kromestar/Hatcha white labels

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:35 pm

I think the strange thing for me is that I never really discover new music or releases through threads promoting them - the threads always come second place to finding tracks in mixes, getting them as dubs, or hearing them on radio.

That or seeing them recommended in threads.

I don't mind the promotion thing. I understand we all have to work hard to push our stuff. I'd say it's all about approaching it in different ways though - the forum is the start, but there's other ways of reaching a more receptive audience.

Also - I'm told nobody reads anything on the internet these days anyway!

dj cal cutta · Post by **dj cal cutta** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:37 pm

Actually, Alex, I think you should give a class in teaching folks on here how to promo their stuff. 'cause imo, at the level you're at, you do it better than anyone else on here(since I've started coming to this board, I've seen your popularity increase at an impressive trajectory, and while the quality of the tunes is *obviously* the main element to your success, I also think you're quite savvy at the promo game, whether ya realize it or not

).

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:57 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
It might sell just as well if every fucking DJ on Rinse was playing it out of no other motive than they are my fucking boys, and I'm Mala handing them dubs. Alas, we're not of the status yet where we can slap out name on it and people automatically know what that means.

You always come across as bitter - like the dubstep scene is a closed shop except to everyone but the "croydon elite" who just support each other and shun outsiders

if this was the case how come "outsiders" like breakage, kryptic minds, kulture, zomby, truth, goth trad etc etc all have got support and respect at dmz and on rinse?

generally speaking if your tunes are absolutely killer then DJs won't just want them, they will fiend for them - doesnt matter who wrote them. just a bit of subtle promotion with good manners and a humble attitude will work wonders for getting support

so if you do believe in the music you release why not just chill out an bit - your attitude could even be putting off people rather than attracting them

also, i didn't link to your threads if you check

finally you might think spongebob and night are cheesy but most people thought they were absolutely wicked memorable tunes!

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:07 pm

FINALLY this is the last i want to say anyway (yes, no more "whinging")

cos i do think its a bit pointless going on and i don't want to spend any more time on this

just wanted to say:

surface tension i don't mean you any personal disrespect, your probably a nice person and i do admire that you are a doer and have set up your label and are working so hard. please take what i'm saying as constructive criticism, i know you might think i'm giving you shit but really i'm not just mindlessly baiting you, i just think spamming like this can end up backfiring as it is annoying to some people - if you don't agree fair play to you

dj cal cutta · Post by **dj cal cutta** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:12 pm

Reptilian wrote: You always come across as bitter - like the dubstep scene is a closed shop except to everyone but the "croydon elite" who just support each other and shun outsiders

if this was the case how come "outsiders" like breakage, kryptic minds, kulture, zomby, truth, goth trad etc etc all have got support and respect at dmz and on rinse?

generally speaking if your tunes are absolutely killer then DJs won't just want them, they will fiend for them - doesnt matter who wrote them. just a bit of subtle promotion with good manners and a humble attitude will work wonders for getting support

I disagree w/almost everything quoted...

first off, those artists you listed, yeah...they're all pretty damn well connected in this scene. If you want me to list specific connections, I can, it would be very, very easy.

Next, when you say "your tunes" to Surface Tension, keep in mind that Surface Tension is NOT Phaeleh. Phaeleh isn't asking specifically for that kind of promo push, this is the work of the label promoting the tunes. So if you're going to judge the tunes themselves on the label's promo push, that's unfair. It's doubly unfair 'cause I will vouch for Phaeleh, that's a wicked producer(and I know that from tunes outside Surface Tension's label). Honestly, whether ya like this or not, the deluge-style promo Surface Tension has used on this board is just as successful a promo tactic, if not more, than the route you suggested...

In the end, your gauge of who is an "outsider" and who is "connected" really bothers me, I must be honest. It's a very skewed vision of actual popularity for producers/DJ's in dubstep, you've named relatively popular producers, absolutely nothing close to what I'd consider an "outsider"...

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:17 pm

to clarify i was trying to say that many (though admittedly not all) of the above were "outsiders" at one point before they took off - geographically or in terms of being unknown or at least not part of the croydon dubstep "inner circle"

ie: i was trying to say that I believe DMZ/Rinse are not a closed shop but are open to quality music wherever it comes from - if the tunes are good enough

i'm happy to concede if i'm wrong, ask chef or hatcha or n-type if they care who made the tune if its a great tune though

if a tune is great i think the DJs will take an interest, whoever made it

dj cal cutta · Post by **dj cal cutta** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:25 pm

Reptilian wrote:to clarify many (though admittedly not all) of the above were "outsiders" at one point before they took off - geographically or in terms of being unknown or at least not part of the croydon scene

ie: i was trying to say that I believe DMZ/Rinse are not a closed shop but are open to quality music wherever it comes from - if the tunes are good enough

i'm happy to concede if i'm wrong, ask chef or hatcha or n-type if they care who made the tune if its a great tune though

if a tune is great i think the DJs will take an interest, whoever made it

You're making the assumption that every DJ is going to listen to everything thrust upon them. While this is idyllic and hopefully the case for a DJ, you know as well as I do that it's not 100% the case, and actually quite far from it. Folks like the DMZ and Rinse camps probably get spammed more demos than just about everyone else. It's in their best interests and of the most integrity if they listen to everything, but I'd be surprised if they actually did. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the artists you listed did actually get tipped to whoever got them connected into the scene, by someone. Case in point, all except one of those artists you listed are UK-based.

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:31 pm

i know its nit picking but goth trad is from japan and i thought truth were from new zealand

both places ludicrously far from here!

listen i can see totally where you're coming from and largely agree, i just think being too forceful can end up backfiring and turning people against your music

i know its not easy for up and comers but lets be honest, the good stuff does stand out a mile and many people are on the lookout for the next exciting thing so support surely can't be that hard to get for the next set of great producers

to use truth as an example - you only need to hear the fatman once to know they've got something pretty special! i doubt mala was thinking "o they're not in my gang, i'm not playing that at dmz!"

caunterstrike · Post by **caunterstrike** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:40 pm

yeah self promotion really takes the piss!!! by the way check out my myspace www.myspace.com/cauntfacedkilla

dj cal cutta · Post by **dj cal cutta** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:44 pm

Reptilian wrote:i know its nit picking but goth trad is from japan and i thought truth were from new zealand

both places ludicrously far from here!

listen i can see totally where you're coming from and largely agree, i just think being too forceful can end up backfiring and turning people against your music

i know its not easy for up and comers but lets be honest, the good stuff does stand out a mile and many people are on the lookout for the next exciting thing so support surely can't be that hard to get for the next set of great producers

to use truth as an example - you only need to hear the fatman once to know they've got something pretty special! i doubt mala was thinking "o they're not in my gang, i'm not playing that at dmz!"

Forgot you listed Truth in that list, I was just thinking of Goth-Trad.

With that said though, I still don't agree w/the notion that the cream of dubstep production will just magically be found. If that were the case, I can think of at least 5 producers in Austin who would be getting WAY more shine than they are right now(I mean, can you tell me why FBOM isn't getting some MAJOR attention on here right now?)

edit: And this goes into a bigger conversation. Frankly, and this is totally imo, I'm not speaking for the guy, but I think FBOM should promote his stuff way more aggressively than he does. Part of me thinks that he's being noble just letting the tunes speak for themselves, then I realize that he's not getting the shine he deserves, so I think, ya know, he SHOULD be more aggressive in self-promotion. Maybe it's not the taste of the DMZ/Rinse crews(I doubt this highly, but maybe), but yeah...he's still on the "up and coming" side of things and he's a total badass, and has been long enough to say that he should have been noticed by now. FBOM's just one name out of *many*, as well...

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:54 pm

DJ Cal Cutta wrote:
With that said though, I still don't agree w/the notion that the cream of dubstep production will just magically be found

me neither actually, it needs some promotion! also - who's to say the next great producers will emerge from the croydon end of the scene anyway?

its true that there are loads of people who perhaps don't promote themselves enough, but its finding a balance where you don't end up coming across as too pushy or too aggressive is important

just you saying that FBOM is great gets my interest in them and will make me notice if i catch their name again FAR more than if they had said it themselves. Word of mouth is a powerful thing and it sometimes feels more special to feel like you have discovered something for yourself or by a tip off than if you have had it rammed down your neck

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:30 am

fbom def nasty.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:53 am

you know you wanna click it

shameless self promotion on this forum is getting very dull

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