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surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:21 am

Kuma wrote:One door closes, another opens to the dance floor.

I don't think the doors can be closed once they are open. Maybe your individual door may be closed, but overall once it's out there it's out there. People still play drums after how many thousands of years? Orchestral productions and compositions are still being made.

kuma · Post by **kuma** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:58 am

Surface_Tension wrote:
Kuma wrote:One door closes, another opens to the dance floor.
I don't think the doors can be closed once they are open. Maybe your individual door may be closed, but overall once it's out there it's out there. People still play drums after how many thousands of years? Orchestral productions and compositions are still being made.

Let me alter that..one perceived door..and i'm in no way making reference to myself...

efa · Post by **efa** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:46 am

DJ Whistla wrote:disgruntled dubsteppers missus

Is how I read that, was picturing some pissed off girlfriend coming to the dance now he's into Funky

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:00 am

WheelchairPrince wrote:
seckle wrote:late 80's NY house is so close to the beginning stages of UK funky that its not funny. i'm not saying that people copied people, but i could show you many tunes from 1989-1990 that could be played on any of the rinse funky slots and you'd have no idea it was 20 years ago.
What like? I'd be very interested.

the early beat patterns in the first funky stuff i heard on rinse is nearly exactly the feel of the stuff that pal joey made famous in nyc 20 years ago. check out soho "hot music" for example. that switch up feel with the double bass drum pads...thats pal joey's sound. he's a ny house legend now.
http://www.paljoeymusic.com/news.html

soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U

this is just a quick run through some other names for you guys. there's so much ny house, from 1988-1992. it dominated. it was also big in baltimore, philly and a few other cities on the east coast.
check out anything on youtube from nu groove records, ronald or rheji burrell (brothers), Pal Joey, Bobby Konders, etc.

apt 1a 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAc6XahQaX0

women beat their men 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2m7G41yuHY

thrill me (masters at work) 1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wSPHC41R-I

ft greene house 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxvmLr6Uruo

secret code 1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8Cxcd_Z1A

nite life 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvxG_p45P8

its all over my face 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFHKqUK8rc

nu groove records documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tvAb_5okoU

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:29 am

Really amped about the consistent call-to-arms that dubstep's strength is in its diversity. That sense of inclusion coupled w/ progress-- extremely important.

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:13 am

seckle wrote: soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U

love this tune!

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:29 am

good thread! (a rarity on this place

)

bigup blackdown.... putting into words what many of us have been feeling for the last couple of years

a lot of the heads in bristol who have been into dubstep for years are all feeling the same.... it's time to move on, time for summat new

pinch said to me at carnival last week that "ive always said as soon as dubstep becomes something defineable then its time to look forward again" (or summat like that anyway, we were both pissed lol)

it just feels like the excitement in dubstep is loooooooooooooong gone, both in terms of the music & the raves

wajad · Post by **wajad** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:09 am

another tune that has elements of funky, from 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_DHBk_bLGw

gettingcolder · Post by **gettingcolder** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:21 am

drew wrote:It saddens me that everyone's answer to fix whats wrong with dubstep is to jump ship and dive straight into.... house music?

Lets keep pushing things FWD

Yes!

wheelchairprince · Post by **wheelchairprince** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:33 am

seckle wrote:
WheelchairPrince wrote:
seckle wrote:late 80's NY house is so close to the beginning stages of UK funky that its not funny. i'm not saying that people copied people, but i could show you many tunes from 1989-1990 that could be played on any of the rinse funky slots and you'd have no idea it was 20 years ago.
What like? I'd be very interested.
the early beat patterns in the first funky stuff i heard on rinse is nearly exactly the feel of the stuff that pal joey made famous in nyc 20 years ago. check out soho "hot music" for example. that switch up feel with the double bass drum pads...thats pal joey's sound. he's a ny house legend now.
http://www.paljoeymusic.com/news.html

soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U

this is just a quick run through some other names for you guys. there's so much ny house, from 1988-1992. it dominated. it was also big in baltimore, philly and a few other cities on the east coast.
check out anything on youtube from nu groove records, ronald or rheji burrell (brothers), Pal Joey, Bobby Konders, etc.

apt 1a 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAc6XahQaX0

women beat their men 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2m7G41yuHY

thrill me (masters at work) 1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wSPHC41R-I

ft greene house 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxvmLr6Uruo

secret code 1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8Cxcd_Z1A

nite life 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvxG_p45P8

its all over my face 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFHKqUK8rc

nu groove records documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tvAb_5okoU

Thanks for these, really like the thrill me remix, its not cheap on discogs though!

dreamizm · Post by **dreamizm** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:04 am

human? wrote:with dubstep... its absolutely been a worldwide and primarily internet based phenomena

No it hasn't.

ravin>>> online discussions abt the 'nuum.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:07 am

dq wrote:
drew wrote:Rather then abandon it for its faults, Id rather guide people towards what's right. There are many people discovering dubstep still and I plan to continue my role in working with them to ensure its presented the right way.
I'm not talking about abandoning it. It's precisely because it means so much to me that I think it needs to be saved from itself, and the producers who are inspired by funky, wonky, techno, house, whatever are the people who for me are staying true to what made dubstep exciting in the first place because they are daring to experiment with unexpected sounds/textures/tempos/etc. What Untold, Ramadanman, LV, Shortstuff, Geiom, Brackles just to name a few have done has given me renewed excitement in dubstep just when it seemed to be headed down a hopeless dead end. So it's not really about ditching dubstep for funky, but rather feeling like the emergence of funky has opened up new possibilites for dubstep that have made it better.

100% agree.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:43 am

co-signed.

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:02 am

86 Position wrote:
Uncle Bill wrote:
WheelchairPrince wrote:
Uncle Bill wrote:
I think I know what Reynolds and Co mean by "feminine pressure" though. It's about a balance of elements that are steretypically masculine (weighty bass, aggressive beats - pressure) with ones that are stereotypically feminine (synth pads, breathy vocals, atmosphere) in a single piece of music. Getting this balance right has been the recipe for some of the best rave music over the years.
I think this balance is achieved by funky in lots of ways.

A lot of dubstep is overly macho and could be described as metalstep and vice versa with funky you get a load of stuff I wouldn't be seen dead moving to like head shoulder's knees and toes. They'll be rubbish at both ends but as long as they're not distinct they will always crash back together and you'll have things like Hyph Mngo. I also think that the appreciation of house which funky added to the appreciation of garage within dubstep adds a better shared history but I don't know how well house fits into the 'nuum'.
Yeah, I agree with that. That's why I don't like the whole Nuum idea too much. Any theory of rave music that doesn't include the original House music is pretty worthless. House is a key influence on everything that came after it and it's good to hear that influence re-stated every now and again.
Am I reaching to say, even further back with disco?

Actually I don't think I'm reaching at all...

You can go back as far as you like. You can go back to disco or funk or samba or R&B or all the way back to New Orleans if you like. I don't see why people feel the need to put an arbitrary year zero on everything.

Music has evolved throughout history and the speed of that evolution has simply increased to match the speed of technological development.

Music and collective celebration are part of the human condition. It didn't suddenly kick off when breakbeats bumped into techno.

The rave scene peaked at the same time as your average Joe was able to make tunes on his home computer for the first time. Hardcore just happened to be the music that was new at the time. Maybe it should be called the Atari ST Continuum instead.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:03 am

I love you guys

Good thread.

I think it was obviously going to piss people off that dubstep changed from what made it so special in 2005 and yeah a lot of raves now you'll hear wobble wobble wobble all fucking night but when you think about how dubstep started out as a marginal thing you can see a lot more potential in the margins that currently exist on the scene.

What really excites me is the prospect of people making tunes expressly for these DJs that are playing all kinds of stuff - chucking in samples, cheesy pianos/female vocals, garage organ stabs, breakbeats etc.

Also seeing Joker at Brainfeeder play 'Who's Afraid Of Detroit' pitched up massively - in a warehouse. That sense of freedom. Bring back House Party!

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:04 am

Corpsey wrote: Bring back House Party!

not a bad shout..

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:08 am

That's what this summer needs

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:12 am

drew wrote:It saddens me that everyone's answer to fix whats wrong with dubstep is to jump ship and dive straight into.... house music?

i felt the same when it became apparant in 2007 that house n funky were cannibalizing grime's audience. house to me had become this bloated, formula-d commercial business, i wanted nothing to do with it.

but there is a subtle distinction.

it's not the Ibiza/Hed Candi/MoS types that are pushing things forward, it's the full weight of London's multicultural urban community who are now focused on rewiring the house template. when this happens things - if uk garage is anything to go by - get very bashy, rude, grimey, vocal, diverse, mutated, feminine, groove-lead... and a whole bunch of variants inbetween. the house-purist camp of funky is the side that interests me least. its everything else that's very exciting right now.

to clarify as well i'm not saying funky is the only way. i am saying wobble is NOT the way (for me), and the piece was written because i saw a bunch of producer/DJs (myself and dusk included) from the dubstep scene who are increasingly house-n-funky influenced, and this presents one possible way of moving forward.

but obviously i also think the wonky thing is still very innovative, especially when mixed with grime. i think percussive uptempo dubstep might still yet blossom and i also love dark Swamp 81 halfstep too. if there are other 130-140 ideas people think are progress, i'm all ears.

diversity is important.

uncle bill · Post by **uncle bill** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:27 am

Corpsey wrote:I love you guys

Good thread.

I think it was obviously going to piss people off that dubstep changed from what made it so special in 2005 and yeah a lot of raves now you'll hear wobble wobble wobble all fucking night but when you think about how dubstep started out as a marginal thing you can see a lot more potential in the margins that currently exist on the scene.

What really excites me is the prospect of people making tunes expressly for these DJs that are playing all kinds of stuff - chucking in samples, cheesy pianos/female vocals, garage organ stabs, breakbeats etc.

Also seeing Joker at Brainfeeder play 'Who's Afraid Of Detroit' pitched up massively - in a warehouse. That sense of freedom. Bring back House Party!

YES.

There's always more potential in the margins. That's the way music works. The best music I've heard in the last twelve months has been pretty difficult to define: Jamie Vex'd, Zomby, Rustie, Joker, Flylo, Guido, Pinch's 'Midnight Oil', Kode 9's 'Black Sun' etc.

Is this dubstep or something else? I don't know. It sounds like a lot of different ideas being smashed together, the same as my favourite music always does. Does it matter what it's caleld as long as I'm enjoying it? Not really.

People who worry about the health of "dubstep" seem not to understand that most people making and listening to music don't care that much about what it's called. They're just thinking about their latest tune.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:28 am

Agree with blackdowns last post^

The diversity of the genre is amazing..from would you mind to narrst, there really is something for everyone, and with more artists liek mosca, joy orbison, hessle umbrella etc... things are only going to get better..

The only thing I think could kill it, is the MC's over the tunes, certain ones are not so bad, especially the heatwave remixes, but other than that, i cannot think of 1 single tune I have enjoyed with a male spitting vocal over it...

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