gain structure and mixing aka THE MONEYSHOT THREAD

[shroomhead1]

Clipping isnt the same as overdrive, overdrive drives the signal, clipping just cuts off anything that goes over zero. If you want your snare to be louder than everything else, and for it to be louder it has to be at 0db, then just bring everything else down, so that it only needs to be at like -8 or summat to be heard. Usually the loudest thing in your mix will be the bass/sub, thats why when the bass kicks in the levels are up at the top, if they are up the top when your snare is hitting, your doing something wrong.

i don't know i still get the results though and my mixes sound like i want em to more and more

is it peaking over 0 db?

nothings going over 0 db

[ehbes]

Clipping isnt the same as overdrive, overdrive drives the signal, clipping just cuts off anything that goes over zero. If you want your snare to be louder than everything else, and for it to be louder it has to be at 0db, then just bring everything else down, so that it only needs to be at like -8 or summat to be heard. Usually the loudest thing in your mix will be the bass/sub, thats why when the bass kicks in the levels are up at the top, if they are up the top when your snare is hitting, your doing something wrong.

i don't know i still get the results though and my mixes sound like i want em to more and more

is it peaking over 0 db?

nothings going over 0 db

how hard are you limiting it then?

[shroomhead1]

how hard are you limiting it then?

i just use my personal template with the limiter ceiling at 0 dB and i try hard so nothing hits more than 0 dB (also if you find something offensive about this post just say it straight to my face since i am really drunk)

[ehbes]

yeah thats the thing try turning off your limiter and see if the track clipping

[skimpi]

how hard are you limiting it then?

i just use my personal template with the limiter ceiling at 0 dB and i try hard so nothing hits more than 0 dB (also if you find something offensive about this post just say it straight to my face since i am really drunk)

If you put a limiter on the master then you havent got to try that hard for nothing to go over 0db haha

[shroomhead1]

yeah thats the thing try turning off your limiter and see if the track clipping

but nothing hits the ceiling

[ehbes]

Have you moved the master fader at all?

[shroomhead1]

i only use the master volume slider for fade outs if i even do fade outs, it's at 0 db in a regular track

[BYTEME]

I'm not exactly learning anything here at all other than something about drums should start at -6 db....

[eldoogle]

Byteme, the thread details how to make your songs not harsh on the ears by setting the volume of each track. When different parts like the bass, drums, sub bass are sounding good together and not clipping you've effectively gain staged. Another purpose is to help important elements stand out (or not be shrouded).

Often the lead bass, kick and snare need to be at the front of the mix, aka the loudest parts.

This thread gives you tips so that your master channel doesn't clip. Clipping is when audio goes over 0 db.

Hope I helped.

[nowaysj]

I'm not exactly learning anything here at all other than something about drums should start at -6 db....

I don't know if you've even learned that correctly.

[Sonika]

Noob question: how much headroom do you have to begin with? Before you start eating it up with different elements of the track?

[Electric_Head]

Personally I`d rather produce a quieter track and leave ample headroom.

[4rantare]

How come my DAW (Cubase 5) does not clip even though the volume hits "the clipper" all the time?

[Sonika]

Noob question: how much headroom do you have to begin with? Before you start eating it up with different elements of the track?

No ones answered yet

[Triphosphate]

Noob question: how much headroom do you have to begin with? Before you start eating it up with different elements of the track?

No ones answered yet

Could be wrong but: Assuming your noise floor isn't an issue it's theoretically -infitity db... realistically... like -50 (at least on my DAW)

[Sonika]

Could be wrong but: Assuming your noise floor isn't an issue it's theoretically -infitity db... realistically... like -50 (at least on my DAW)

I dont fully get it...

Wait, so as you have things hitting at different levels, all of those different levels combine to eat up your headroom, right?

So if I have -50, and I have 2 drum tracks hitting at -25, then I have 0.0 left in my headroom, correct?

Or am I missing something?

[Triphosphate]

I'm still learning a lot of this too but I believe If your noise floor is -50 and you add a kick that hits at -25... and layer it with the same kick at -25 then yes, you just consumed all of your headroom.

This is usually about the time I reread this entire thread, or MACC comes in and saves the day, whichever comes first.

[Sonika]

I'm still learning a lot of this too but I believe If your noise floor is -50 and you add a kick that hits at -25... and layer it with the same kick at -25 then yes, you just consumed all of your headroom.

This is usually about the time I reread this entire thread, or MACC comes in and saves the day, whichever comes first.

*waits patiently*

Does Macc even visit this forum anymore?

[Triphosphate]

I'm still learning a lot of this too but I believe If your noise floor is -50 and you add a kick that hits at -25... and layer it with the same kick at -25 then yes, you just consumed all of your headroom.

This is usually about the time I reread this entire thread, or MACC comes in and saves the day, whichever comes first.

*waits patiently*

Does Macc even visit this forum anymore?

I'm pretty sure he does actually... the MACC sees and hears all.