grant morrison - disinfo con lecture - magick

[parson]

the k at the end is an effort to distinguish this science from staged illusions. i agree that perhaps an all new term could be applied. hermetic science works.

[alien pimp]

pimp you're not making any sense.

i've repeated the same thing over and over in this thread.

reality is the product of emotional vibration

stewart saying the only free will we have is choice of perception and therefore vibration fits in with that just fine.

i said yes, reality is the product of everybody's emotional vibration, in this bucket we're just a drop, we can only influence things that much... have you read and understood that part? is it wrong my statement that we're a drop in a bucket? why? can you keep being rational even when you meet a strong counter-argument? would be lovely if so and if you weren't so opaque, you have only an emitter and not a receiver

[alien pimp]

and to go further: we move things only as a whole, that's why all the efforts to set us all apart through fear and destroy the concept of love that would unite us

[parson]

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

[parson]

"we're" all pawns with little or no free will. any pawn can reach the end (enlightenment) and become anything he wants.

[alien pimp]

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

then what happens if 2 drops have opposite influences over the system?

Edit: i think i need to mention the most basic shit cause nothing is too basic here: does the observation that we are 7 billion identical holograms match anybody's observations, experience or logic?

[frank grimes jr.]

So has anyone gotten their macbook pro yet?

[parson]

i've got all kinds of shit. i'll let you know when the new one shows up though.

[2manynoobs]

"we're" all pawns with little or no free will. any pawn can reach the end (enlightenment) and become anything he wants.

I like to picture it like this: everything on the earth (maybe even everything in the universe) is connected with a wire, and if one thing moves, the whole thing moves. So certain actions influence certain actions.

And you're right saying that we have little to no free will. Let's take an example: suppose you suddenly 'want' a cheeseburger. You say that it's free will but it's not. You're hungry so you want to eat. You're hungry because you haven't eaten yet (an influence). You haven't eaten yet because you were hold up, talking to an old friend you didn't see for 3 years. You talked to that guy because it was so long ago. It was so long ago because... and so on. Everything is literally influenced by something. There are no (or very very few) things we do out of true free will, not because of a desire or a pursuit of happiness.

You think that it's your own decision, but it's not. Every decision you make has it's "trigger point".

We actually think we're better than the animals because we can do what we want, but it's not true. It's an illusion. Your just a puppet controlled by your senses, desires and the universe

[frank grimes jr.]

Seems a bit reckless, using the power of vibrations to conjure forth electronics for facebook stalking, and online shopping for mustache wax.

[parson]

the universe is my vending machine

[frank grimes jr.]

[alien pimp]

"we're" all pawns with little or no free will. any pawn can reach the end (enlightenment) and become anything he wants.

I like to picture it like this: everything on the earth (maybe even everything in the universe) is connected with a wire, and if one thing moves, the whole thing moves. So certain actions influence certain actions.

And you're right saying that we have little to no free will. Let's take an example: suppose you suddenly 'want' a cheeseburger. You say that it's free will but it's not. You're hungry so you want to eat. You're hungry because you haven't eaten yet (an influence). You haven't eaten yet because you were hold up, talking to an old friend you didn't see for 3 years. You talked to that guy because it was so long ago. It was so long ago because... and so on. Everything is literally influenced by something. There are no (or very very few) things we do out of true free will, not because of a desire or a pursuit of happiness.

You think that it's your own decision, but it's not. Every decision you make has it's "trigger point".

We actually think we're better than the animals because we can do what we want, but it's not true. It's an illusion. Your just a puppet controlled by your senses, desires and the universe

what happens if you want to eat and your mom doesn't want you to? not to mention you should have all the same opinion as two pieces of hologram that reflect the same original picture

but i see parson realised he can't keep up with all these question and switched the channel to comedy central. typical, no problem, that's a message too

[parson]

the fuck

[alien pimp]

the fuck

i knew it won't take me much to get you here, you're the weak link in the debate team

[2manynoobs]

"we're" all pawns with little or no free will. any pawn can reach the end (enlightenment) and become anything he wants.

I like to picture it like this: everything on the earth (maybe even everything in the universe) is connected with a wire, and if one thing moves, the whole thing moves. So certain actions influence certain actions.

And you're right saying that we have little to no free will. Let's take an example: suppose you suddenly 'want' a cheeseburger. You say that it's free will but it's not. You're hungry so you want to eat. You're hungry because you haven't eaten yet (an influence). You haven't eaten yet because you were hold up, talking to an old friend you didn't see for 3 years. You talked to that guy because it was so long ago. It was so long ago because... and so on. Everything is literally influenced by something. There are no (or very very few) things we do out of true free will, not because of a desire or a pursuit of happiness.

You think that it's your own decision, but it's not. Every decision you make has it's "trigger point".

We actually think we're better than the animals because we can do what we want, but it's not true. It's an illusion. Your just a puppet controlled by your senses, desires and the universe

what happens if you want to eat and your mom doesn't want you to? not to mention you should have all the same opinion as two pieces of hologram that reflect the same original picture

you don't eat probably. Because your mother influences you. And your mother is influenced as well by who knows what.

And you're applying it wrong I think. We suffer from the illusion of being individual so I don't know how to answer your question

[alien pimp]

"we're" all pawns with little or no free will. any pawn can reach the end (enlightenment) and become anything he wants.

I like to picture it like this: everything on the earth (maybe even everything in the universe) is connected with a wire, and if one thing moves, the whole thing moves. So certain actions influence certain actions.

And you're right saying that we have little to no free will. Let's take an example: suppose you suddenly 'want' a cheeseburger. You say that it's free will but it's not. You're hungry so you want to eat. You're hungry because you haven't eaten yet (an influence). You haven't eaten yet because you were hold up, talking to an old friend you didn't see for 3 years. You talked to that guy because it was so long ago. It was so long ago because... and so on. Everything is literally influenced by something. There are no (or very very few) things we do out of true free will, not because of a desire or a pursuit of happiness.

You think that it's your own decision, but it's not. Every decision you make has it's "trigger point".

We actually think we're better than the animals because we can do what we want, but it's not true. It's an illusion. Your just a puppet controlled by your senses, desires and the universe

what happens if you want to eat and your mom doesn't want you to? not to mention you should have all the same opinion as two pieces of hologram that reflect the same original picture

you don't eat probably. Because your mother influences you. And your mother is influenced as well by who knows what.

And you're applying it wrong I think. We suffer from the illusion of being individual so I don't know how to answer your question

you start to lose it too...
i didn't mean it that literally, i meant it like at least one of the parts doesn't get its wish granted. is that true?
if so, and if we are not individuals, if we are parts of a hologram blah blah... how come one part gets his wish granted and one doesn't? how come they have different wishes to start with it all?

[parson]

you have some real tarded questions.

[2manynoobs]

yeah I'm sorry pimp but parson is right i think. Buddha says all living is suffering.

The moment you stop suffering because you can't get your wishes to become reality you are enlightened, I think. That's also the point where you actually gain free will..

There's also a reason why every religion says that you have to love everyone else like you love your self.. (= no individuality)

All religions started good, but as time progressed things got misinterpreted and also corrupted....

[alien pimp]

i am sorry for you that you can't answer my simple questions and you are happy with yourself like that. honestly, not dissing