sending demos to labels which use "naughty" plugs..

[genderM]

personally if the tunes are good who gives a fuck, i'm doubting the labels do
it's when people feel the need to ask for tutorials or why their pirated software doesn't work because they're too stupid to steal and get away with it or know where to ask that irks me
ffs some of my fav dnb producers and such had etchings in some of their 12" like big ups h2o
if you can afford it(or reasonably save for it by skipping some unnecessary things for a bit like eating out, drinking, drugs etc), use it a shitload, think it's a great plugin and don't buy it... you need to reevaluate your moral compass

This. OP, tell your friend to stop being such a pussy. And you really think the label will ask you if you paid for your software or not? Your dumb(not trying to be offensive)....

no you're dumb, not only because you can't spell you're correctly but also because i never said i thought the label would inquire about cracked software. boom bitch!

[In The Shadows]

"DEGO: If you can capture that groove, it doesn't matter what kind of equipment you have. That's what's great about this electronic revolution, it makes music accessible for everyone.

When it comes down to the nitty-gritty, we all use cracked copies of Logic, or Reason or even Pro-Tools. We all know someone who's a computer expert. You ask him "You got a copy of Logic 4.1 or whatever?" and he gets it to you tomorrow on CD. No one hardly ever pays for PC software. I ain't on that kind of budget myself to be buying a Hammond B3 organ plug-in that costs hundreds of pounds.«

RBMA: »Would you say that straight to a programmer's face?«

DEGO: »There are people that have got every single record I've ever done on MP3 and I can't do anything about it. That's just the reality of it. I ain't got money to sue people. It's great that music is accessible to everyone but you're right, there is a downside to it as people are not getting their just deserts because everything is just too attainable. What do you want? To deny these programs to certain people? Some 14 year-old girl or boy making tunes - they've found something that they love in life but they can't afford all the equipment. They've got a couple of bootleg programs and they're making some great stuff, they've found the thing they want to do in life. I can't deny them that, I've got to encourage that. "


Dego from 4hero, Redbull Music Academy Lecture 2002

[abZ]

Why do you assume that software companies will make better software if they sell more? It's business, they're looking for profit margins. Assuming that they'll make a synth that tickles your balls whilst making some Noisia synth with no resampling, because they made a boat load of cash off of a previous release is flawed imo. WIndows XP was (and may still be?) the most popular OS in the world, Vista was still poorly developed.

If they were open source developers then I'd be more inclined to not purchase second hand, I don't think Native Instruments are strapped for cash to spend on development for the next product because of second hand sales.

I don't! I am saying people in this thread are assuming that and coupling that with the idea of used software is hypocritical. Personally I am not telling anyone what they should or should not do. I don't really care. It's personal business as far as I am concerned.

[nowaysj]

Well, we're all economically interconnected, so you do have a right to say something.

Second hand sales support the price of the primary sale. When you buy a new Honda Accord, you pay a little more, but you know on the other side, you can sell it used for a lot more. If you couldn't sell the car when you're done with it, you couldn't afford to pay for what you did initially. This is the way companies benefit from second hand sales, it both raises the initial sales price and encourages purchasing in general. Personally, I wouldn't have bought Komplete, if I didn't know that I could sell Massive and Battery, which I'd already bought.

My primary contention in regards to individuals using pirated software is that it works to the pirate's detriment to use the pirated software. First and foremost. There are secondary economic consequences, but they are far more diffuse, and even debatable.

[hifi]

personally if the tunes are good who gives a fuck, i'm doubting the labels do
it's when people feel the need to ask for tutorials or why their pirated software doesn't work because they're too stupid to steal and get away with it or know where to ask that irks me
ffs some of my fav dnb producers and such had etchings in some of their 12" like big ups h2o
if you can afford it(or reasonably save for it by skipping some unnecessary things for a bit like eating out, drinking, drugs etc), use it a shitload, think it's a great plugin and don't buy it... you need to reevaluate your moral compass

This. OP, tell your friend to stop being such a pussy. And you really think the label will ask you if you paid for your software or not? Your dumb(not trying to be offensive)....

no you're dumb, not only because you can't spell you're correctly but also because i never said i thought the label would inquire about cracked software. boom bitch!

trololol. why can't trolls learn to love

[abZ]

Well, we're all economically interconnected, so you do have a right to say something.

Second hand sales support the price of the primary sale. When you buy a new Honda Accord, you pay a little more, but you know on the other side, you can sell it used for a lot more. If you couldn't sell the car when you're done with it, you couldn't afford to pay for what you did initially. This is the way companies benefit from second hand sales, it both raises the initial sales price and encourages purchasing in general. Personally, I wouldn't have bought Komplete, if I didn't know that I could sell Massive and Battery, which I'd already bought.

My primary contention in regards to individuals using pirated software is that it works to the pirate's detriment to use the pirated software. First and foremost. There are secondary economic consequences, but they are far more diffuse, and even debatable.

I never said one doesn't have the right to speak about it, I just reserve the right to not judge someone or someones work on that.

BTW did you give up on djing already? That was quick.

[Ldizzy]

u know i always get really anxious when people dont ADMIT the consequences of their acts..

behave ANY way you want but call a cat a cat and a dog a dog...

juss sayin

[nowaysj]

BTW did you give up on djing already? That was quick.

Never even got started. Got a jerry rigged tracktor setup working, but it was such a f'ing hassle, it used up all my audio io... I should have just splashed for the tracktor setup. At the time I used all my discretionary money on getting the tables and mixers (yeah I ended up with two, don't even ask how) But I've been head over heals with the production, I just went bat shit crazy with hardware and have to sell a bunch of stuff, or I'll be sleeping in my car

But screw it, I'm not selling that 404sx down there, I luuuuuv it.

[pete_bubonic]

I don't! I am saying people in this thread are assuming that and coupling that with the idea of used software is hypocritical. Personally I am not telling anyone what they should or should not do. I don't really care. It's personal business as far as I am concerned.

Sorry man, I've obviously misunderstood your viewpoint on this.

I am not arguing this. I am arguing that you guys don't care about how much the software companies make so they can develop more amazing software. You only care about "ownership".

I just want to come back to this. The implication I read in this is: 'by selling second hand you are actively stopping the original development house making more software (superb or not)' and (through use of language) 'you care not for the livelihood of developers as long as you own their work'.

Is that what you're saying?

[PERCEPT]

Demo of massive, make a new patch in the time allowed then bounce that shit out into the EXS24 sampler to fuck with it more.

I guess this is legal, not sure though to be honest. Might be something that says you can't use the demo version in any releases?

[abZ]

I don't! I am saying people in this thread are assuming that and coupling that with the idea of used software is hypocritical. Personally I am not telling anyone what they should or should not do. I don't really care. It's personal business as far as I am concerned.

Sorry man, I've obviously misunderstood your viewpoint on this.

I am not arguing this. I am arguing that you guys don't care about how much the software companies make so they can develop more amazing software. You only care about "ownership".

I just want to come back to this. The implication I read in this is: 'by selling second hand you are actively stopping the original development house making more software (superb or not)' and (through use of language) 'you care not for the livelihood of developers as long as you own their work'.

Is that what you're saying?

I know I confuse myself sometimes. I am just making the argument that you can't have it both ways. I am not saying that is what I personally believe.

[zerbaman]

there's nothing identical to massive with all the filters and effects built in, but all you really need is a wavetable synth since that's all it is at heart
if you can't live without it, how about you shell out the 200$

Not free, does not sound like software

[zerbaman]

Most daw's provides you with enough plugins/etc to make a tune good enough for release.

I don't know why people wank themselves to death over a plugin that the latest producer on the teenybopper bandwagon is using.

I actually avoid looking for dubstep on youtube because of the sheer number of revolting remixes made using massive et al.

There are plugins that can get you close in FL, but as far as I know not that do the same

EDIT,
I don't use massive all that much, it's just the things that I use it for can't be done with anything else I know of.

[zerbaman]

The biggest joke of this whole ongoing saga is that Massive really isn't all that 0.o At some point Datsik said the word Massive and all the spotty 14 year old wannabes suddenly decided that if they had Massive too then they would suddenly be as good as him. It's a good synth sure, but it's not a fantastic one when compared to the other big names. There's so much better out there and some synths that come with DAWs are better in my opinion, like operator for example. I wonder if Z3ta+, Circle, Zebra, Alchemy, Reaktor, Albino, Absynth, FM8 etc etc etc all feel left out that nobody is pirating them

I'd recommend the TAL synths, Crystal, Oatmeal, Chimera and SQ8L for people wanting good freeware synths...

the synths you mentioned there are actually decent, just like like plug ins that My daw already offers

i used to agree that massive was over rated (used Operator initially for everything). however, at the moment i have to say it's pretty amazing. sure, the resulting sounds could have been made from almost any other synth (freeware or payware) on the market; but what makes massive amazing is how easy it is to modulate parameters (and routing) and how easy it is to keep track of everything... it's hard to clutter and extremely easy to tweak. bit of a cpu hog, though.

Exactly this

[paravrais]

Most daw's provides you with enough plugins/etc to make a tune good enough for release.

I don't know why people wank themselves to death over a plugin that the latest producer on the teenybopper bandwagon is using.

I actually avoid looking for dubstep on youtube because of the sheer number of revolting remixes made using massive et al.

There are plugins that can get you close in FL, but as far as I know not that do the same

EDIT,
I don't use massive all that much, it's just the things that I use it for can't be done with anything else I know of.

That's complete bullshit. There are so many synths that can do anything massive can and much more. Just because Datsik uses massive doesn't mean that you can only make Datsik basses with it.

Pretty much all synths are different and they work in completely different ways but you can achieve the same results if you know what I'm doing. Alchemy is known for making really pretty bells and ambient soundcapes but I made a really filthy brutal electro on steroids sounding patch last night in it. It's just about actually learning how to synthesise sounds rather than going to massive and going "hmm if I choose any waveform, daft filter and attach an lfo to the cutoff it sounds like datsik"

[Ldizzy]

funny thing is most of the wavetables from wavetable synths are actually the result of actual synthesis, that are then sampled...

it samples waves... so theorically u have way more possibilities with a synth/softsynth that allows u to start from the bottom.. eg.. fm.. for instance

massive just makes it easy to have interesting textures right off the bat... but its not the most powerful synth (if there is such a thing)... its a GREAT tool tho.

[gen_]

People loved massive way before datsik mentioned it, just like people used albino way before rusko used it in his masterclass vids.

Also massive has been around since the stone age. Its probably the best selling software synth of all time and NI still haven't updated it with new features. If that's not evidence that sales have no bearing on how good the next version will be I don't know what is.

Massives gotta be at least 5 years old now, and its still making those shareholders happy.

[paravrais]

there's nothing identical to massive with all the filters and effects built in, but all you really need is a wavetable synth since that's all it is at heart
if you can't live without it, how about you shell out the 200$

Not free, does not sound like software

You don't think a wavetable synth is software?

Despite just being told that massive is one?

Hmm.....

[deadly_habit]

there's nothing identical to massive with all the filters and effects built in, but all you really need is a wavetable synth since that's all it is at heart
if you can't live without it, how about you shell out the 200$

Not free, does not sound like software

there are plenty of free ones, i'm not gonna do all the work and reveal some of my secret weapons
try sq8l for starters
it requires reading the manual and has an old school interface so i'm guessing most people will overlook it as too hard

[symmetricalsounds]

try sq8l for starters
it requires reading the manual and has an old school interface so i'm guessing most people will overlook it as too hard

played with this the other day, don't get why people are saying it's so confusing because it seemed fairly straightforward. having said that there are people out there that download cracked stuff and don't even know how to read a .nfo file.