who here is a good fighter? how many fights you been into?

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:31 am

nicenice wrote:Reactions and training get completely thrown out the window

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... no

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:33 am

If you can prepare yourself or overcome fight or flight without losing your cool in a brief moment then kudos to you. But from what I've seen from random fights is they don't mean shit.

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:36 am

If some guys in your face, you say something and he headbutt's you. You're stunned and in that moment he has enough time to get you to the floor before you can come back with a punch.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:43 am

nicenice wrote:If you can prepare yourself or overcome fight or flight without losing your cool in a brief moment then kudos to you. But from what I've seen from random fights is they don't mean shit.

You think someone will forget years of training how to fight just because they got sucker punched?

nicenice wrote:If some guys in your face, you say something and he headbutt's you. You're stunned and in that moment he has enough time to get you to the floor before you can come back with a punch.

That's why i have been using this thread to extol the virtues of BJJ and ground fighting

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:59 am

The physical limitations of the body overcome the limitations of the mind.

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:02 pm

I highly doubt in a street fight you'll be able to to much BJJ.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:26 pm

nicenice wrote:I highly doubt in a street fight you'll be able to to much BJJ.

ermmm...

nicenice wrote: You're stunned and in that moment he has enough time to get you to the floor

BJJ was created specifically for self defence

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:33 pm

Have you ever used it successfully on anyone.

And I'm talking about someone that doesn't know any martial arts. Someone that only cares if you get hurt. Who, the majority of the time will be the person starting the fight.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:36 pm

nicenice wrote:Have you ever used it successfully on anyone.

And I'm talking about someone that doesn't know any martial arts. Someone that only cares if you get hurt. Who, the majority of the time will be the person starting the fight.

I've never had to, I've always been able to talk my way out of any trouble

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:37 pm

lol there we go, I wouldn't put so much faith into it unless you've been in enough situations where you've needed to use it.

phrex · Post by **phrex** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:41 pm

no fuss&no fight

Badman Juice · Post by **Badman Juice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:41 pm

"I always manage to talk my way out" = I get shook and apologise.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:45 pm

you gave an example of a hypotheical situation where someone headbutted you and took you to the ground, all i said was in that situation a knowledge of bjj and ground fighting is going to be very useful.

im not saying its full proof but knowledge of ground fighting is still very useful

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:49 pm

Badman Juice wrote:"I always manage to talk my way out" = I get shook and apologise.

Hey, if it stops you getting hurt then i think its a good tactic... pride does you no favours

clifford_- · Post by **clifford_-** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:50 pm

particle-jim wrote: im not saying its full proof but knowledge of ground fighting is still very useful

Not if youve just been given 2 jabs while trying to talk your way out of it.

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:55 pm

But you're the guy on the floor, your stunned, maybe concussed. What are you going to do, hold his legs and hope he falls other. Most chances are he's already on top off you with his knees on your shoulders punching you and there's someone else on the way to kick your teeth in.

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:55 pm

clifford_- wrote:
particle-jim wrote: im not saying its full proof but knowledge of ground fighting is still very useful

Not if youve just been given 2 jabs while trying to talk your way out of it.

variables man... i cant take someone to the ground if I'm unconscious, on the same hand you cant knock someone out if your flat on your back being choked out

you need a knowledge of both standing and groundwork but most people tend to overlook the groundwork and just go "yer im gunna spark him out, get me"

Badman Juice · Post by **Badman Juice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:56 pm

particle-jim wrote:
Badman Juice wrote:"I always manage to talk my way out" = I get shook and apologise.
Hey, if it stops you getting hurt then i think its a good tactic... pride does you no favours

well it's obviously pride which is leading people to misrepresent themselves and say they 'talk their way out of it'.

nicenice · Post by **nicenice** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:58 pm

particle-jim wrote:
clifford_- wrote:
particle-jim wrote: im not saying its full proof but knowledge of ground fighting is still very useful

Not if youve just been given 2 jabs while trying to talk your way out of it.
variables man... i cant take someone to the ground if I'm unconscious, on the same hand you cant knock someone out if your flat on your back being choked out

you need a knowledge of both standing and groundwork but most people tend to overlook the groundwork and just go "yer im gunna spark him out, get me"

Normally that's all it takes.

In a one on one, first blow is already the decider.

clifford_- · Post by **clifford_-** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:59 pm

nicenice wrote:But you're the guy on the floor, your stunned, maybe concussed. What are you going to do, hold his legs and hope he falls other. Most chances are he's already on top off you with his knees on your shoulders punching you and there's someone else on the way to kick your teeth in.

Exactly, your gonna be royally fucked in that situation, even if your sick at whatever wrestling/bjj or watevs.
Best learn to duck and weave, best learn to box!

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