depression and the artistic mind

[Genevieve]

so you'd be no more or less depressed being shat on by a neo izan than lying in bed?

Bad stuff happening in a depression can make things worse, but comparing the lives of people with a completely different existence is just completely illogical. They have a different perception of success. Apples and oranges.

To them, food on the table and a successful day of work takes on a different meaning than it does to us. We measure success differently (and not necessarily wrongly), they just live in a different sphere of existence. If they were to imagine success, do you think they would imagine having a nice little place in the 'burbs, a minivan, 3 kids, a well paying job as a corporate lawyer, a hot young wife and a hotter, younger secretary?

No, their equivalent would be a nice little hut with some cattle and nice family.

It doesn't mean that they're content with less. It's jut not the image they have. All these modern conveniences don't make us happier. They make us evolutionarily more successful.

If people there are less depressed than they are here it's because natural selection weeds depressed people there out more than over here. We've aquired more wealth, more wealth means less scarcity of resources and therefore we can share more. Including with people who are immobilized by depression. Same with how people with diabetes still get to procreate in the west due to medication and it doesn't get weeded out of the gene pools as quickly as it does in let's say, rural Africa.

[fassyman]

so you'd be no more or less depressed being shat on by a neo izan than lying in bed?

depression is essentially feeling nothing due to being overwhelmed by your mind

it wouldnt make you more depressed, being a bit sad isnt the same thing as being depressed

haha
i'd like to put this theory to the test

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

sounds like it's rooted in narcissism

depression is contagious, quarantine them.

Big comedy internet badman aren't you? There are people on here telling you how bad they have felt with depression and you feel the need for responses like that?

1. I can insult you in person if it genuinely makes a difference to you?

2. both the statements I made were my opinion and I believe them to be true. depressed ppl tend to quarantine themselves anyway.

so you'd be no more or less depressed being shat on by a neo izan than lying in bed?

Bad stuff happening in a depression can make things worse, but comparing the lives of people with a completely different existence is just completely illogical. They have a different perception of success. Apples and oranges.

To them, food on the table and a successful day of work takes on a different meaning than it does to us. We measure success differently (and not necessarily wrongly), they just live in a different sphere of existence. If they were to imagine success, do you think they would imagine having a nice little place in the 'burbs, a minivan, 3 kids, a well paying job as a corporate lawyer, a hot young wife and a hotter, younger secretary?

No, their equivalent would be a nice little hut with some cattle and nice family.

It doesn't mean that they're content with less. It's jut not the image they have. All these modern conveniences don't make us happier. They make us evolutionarily more successful.

If people there are less depressed than they are here it's because natural selection weeds depressed people there out more than over here. We've aquired more wealth, more wealth means less scarcity of resources and therefore we can share more. Including with people who are immobilized by depression. Same with how people with diabetes still get to procreate in the west due to medication and it doesn't get weeded out of the gene pools as quickly as it does in let's say, rural Africa.

happiness is a word we use because it's less ugly than saying we feel superior to others in that moment in a given context. anyone anywhere can feel that.

not sure why you assume all africans are primitive children with no conception of first world wealth because they don't live in a city and why you think they don't have lawyers, cars and suburbs in those cities.

[noam]

narcissistic disorder and depression are different things

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

depressed ppl are unsuccessful narcissists.

[Pistonsbeneath]

so you'd be no more or less depressed being shat on by a neo izan than lying in bed?

depression is essentially feeling nothing due to being overwhelmed by your mind

it wouldnt make you more depressed, being a bit sad isnt the same thing as being depressed

haha
i'd like to put this theory to the test

i dont think you understood what i was saying, it would make things worse but if youre already numb and not feeling stuff then it would just be another thing happening that you don't feel

anyway....trolls we need to stop feeding them

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

seems like posting any non liberal opinion on here is 'trolling'

[Genevieve]

happiness is a word we use because it's less ugly than saying we feel superior to others in that moment in a given context. anyone anywhere can feel that.

Nope, it's just you.

not sure why you assume all africans are primitive children with no conception of first world wealth because they don't live in a city and why you think they don't have lawyers, cars and suburbs in those cities.

Uhhhh I'm not saying that. I'm saying they're growing up in a world where 'success' takes on a different meaning and therefore, comparing our idea of success to theirs is unreasonable.

Sure, they can imagine life in the west. Just like we can imagine life in the world 3000 in flying cities on Mars. But growing up in Soweto means you'll have a different idea of it and different expecations because Soweto is all you've experienced. Much like Western Europe in 2011 is all I know.

If I were to be dropped there from one day to another, yeah shit would suck. Much like being dropped here to the year 1035 would suck shit. It's not the environment I was raised for.

seems like posting any non liberal opinion on here is 'trolling'

No one thinks I'm trolling and I'm constantly posting "non-liberal" stuff.

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

tell me the last 5 things that made you 'happy', I bet there's an element of, at the very least, implicit superiority in all of them.

I wasn't including your wildly outdated assumptions about africa under the 'non-liberal' heading.

[Mr Hyde]

sounds like it's rooted in narcissism

depression is contagious, quarantine them.

Big comedy internet badman aren't you? There are people on here telling you how bad they have felt with depression and you feel the need for responses like that?

1. I can insult you in person if it genuinely makes a difference to you?

2. both the statements I made were my opinion and I believe them to be true. depressed ppl tend to quarantine themselves anyway.

I have never had depression but I know people that have, you aren't just saying opinion- you were writing direct responses to people who are saying that they suffer from depression, trying to take the piss of them- you don't think thats a bit of a prick thing to do?

And I really don't think you'd be insulting me in person.

[noam]

tell me the last 5 things that made you 'happy', I bet there's an element of, at the very least, implicit superiority in all of them.

I wasn't including your wildly outdated assumptions about africa under the 'non-liberal' heading.

yea this should really be examined a little closer

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

sounds like it's rooted in narcissism

depression is contagious, quarantine them.

Big comedy internet badman aren't you? There are people on here telling you how bad they have felt with depression and you feel the need for responses like that?

1. I can insult you in person if it genuinely makes a difference to you?

2. both the statements I made were my opinion and I believe them to be true. depressed ppl tend to quarantine themselves anyway.

I have never had depression but I know people that have, you aren't just saying opinion- you were writing direct responses to people who are saying that they suffer from depression, trying to take the piss of them- you don't think thats a bit of a prick thing to do?

And I really don't think you'd be insulting me in person.

why do you have some sort of horrific disfigurement or disability that would make it too awkward?

[Mr Hyde]

sounds like it's rooted in narcissism

depression is contagious, quarantine them.

Big comedy internet badman aren't you? There are people on here telling you how bad they have felt with depression and you feel the need for responses like that?

1. I can insult you in person if it genuinely makes a difference to you?

2. both the statements I made were my opinion and I believe them to be true. depressed ppl tend to quarantine themselves anyway.

I have never had depression but I know people that have, you aren't just saying opinion- you were writing direct responses to people who are saying that they suffer from depression, trying to take the piss of them- you don't think thats a bit of a prick thing to do?

And I really don't think you'd be insulting me in person.

why do you have some sort of horrific disfigurement or disability that would make it too awkward?

No, more to do with you being a pussy in the real world.

[Genevieve]

tell me the last 5 things that made you 'happy', I bet there's an element of, at the very least, implicit superiority in all of them.

All of them involved having fun with friends.

I wasn't including your wildly outdated assumptions about africa under the 'non-liberal' heading.

I know. I'm just saying that posting 'non-liberal' things doesn't equate trolling. You just utterly lack understanding of theory of mind and empathy and take things literal to a degree that's usually only seen in someone with a cognitive disorder. Hence why people think you're trolling.

Also, you're the person who came up with the idea of a goat and a mudhut. We're not talking about Africa as a whole but a specific environment within Africa. You're just desperately trying to be right. Hence why you ignored 90% of my points.

I've decided I've won. Have fun in the rest of the thread.

[noam]

I've decided I've won. Have fun in the rest of the thread.

when have you ever decided you've lost on this board?

[Electric_Head]

Sure, they can imagine life in the west. Just like we can imagine life in the world 3000 in flying cities on Mars. But growing up in Soweto means you'll have a different idea of it and different expectations because Soweto is all you've experienced. Much like Western Europe in 2011 is all I know.

I don`t agree with this.

They do know the difference between poor and wealthy, the difference between hungry and fed, the difference between no home and myself driving past them in my nice car on the way to my house.
At some point they will be depressed just because they have nothing, maybe not depressed but certainly unhappy.
Which is generally why they turn to drugs and alcohol.
I don`t think they would choose to live in a shanty town if you gave them a choice.
It`s one thing if you live in a jungle and have never experienced western life.
But if you live in squaller, you certainly know there are better places to be.

Middle Class or Upper class can certainly not look at a similar class and get depressed by that just because they live somewhere else.

[O Tumma Tum Ladin]

No, more to do with you being a pussy in the real world.

next time I'm in south london I'll take some time out to insult you personally. could you message me a picture and short description of yourself so I have something to work with, don't want to come unprepared.

[Genevieve]

I've decided I've won. Have fun in the rest of the thread.

when have you ever decided you've lost on this board?

I don't know? I can't recall most of my discussions or anything that's happened in the last 18 months.

Sure, they can imagine life in the west. Just like we can imagine life in the world 3000 in flying cities on Mars. But growing up in Soweto means you'll have a different idea of it and different expectations because Soweto is all you've experienced. Much like Western Europe in 2011 is all I know.

I don`t agree with this.

They do know the difference between poor and wealthy, the difference between hungry and fed, the difference between no home and myself driving past them in my nice car on the way to my house.
At some point they will be depressed just because they have nothing, maybe not depressed but certainly unhappy.
Which is generally why they turn to drugs and alcohol.
I don`t think they would choose to live in a shanty town if you gave them a choice.
It`s one thing if you live in a jungle and have never experienced western life.
But if you live in squaller, you certainly know there are better places to be.

Middle Class or Upper class can certainly not look at a similar class and get depressed by that just because they live somewhere else.

Soweto was an AWFUL example and I was very hesitant to post it. It's part of an environment that is by all means Western so obviously they experience these things. But there's places in Africa with a different understanding of how life should be compared to us. If someone says goat and a muthut in Africa, I'm picturing a more rural environment and less western one. And people who live in that sort of environment and merely recall western standards second hand do not live our lives with our expectations. They don't, I'm sorry.

And take note of the bolded part. Depression isn't sadness and unhappiness. It's a physically abnormal brain.

[Electric_Head]

No, more to do with you being a pussy in the real world.

next time I'm in south london I'll take some time out to insult you personally. could you message me a picture and short description of yourself so I have something to work with, don't want to come unprepared.

google cock

[wub]

No, more to do with you being a pussy in the real world.

next time I'm in south london I'll take some time out to insult you personally. could you message me a picture and short description of yourself so I have something to work with, don't want to come unprepared.

google cock

Is that like Google Earth?