A Nice Documentary on Noise

[paradigm_x]

Its an oscillator with some controls - whats the point? Any semi modular soft synth could do these sounds.

Dont want to look like im picking on you, but jeez you come out with some short-sighted/intolerant nonsense sometimes... here and doa, assuming youre the same virtualmark.

So you're comment is supposedly better? You have a pop at me, yet make no effort to answer my point.

Yes i do speak my mind, and speak the truth. I don't know which doa topic you mean but i do have disagreements with people, true.

As far as hardware synths go, i'm looking at getting one myself, probably a virus. I'm fully aware of the fun you can have with hardware, just this box doesn't seem too impressive. That was all i'm saying.

And again, if you'd like to say whats so great about it vs a softsynth+midi controller, i'm all ears.

Its not a question of better or worse. You always come out with this 'i dont understand how anyone else could have fun/make tunes in a way different to me, therefore its shit' kind of attitude. You were screeching in this thread, and also in the one on doa about copying other producers how you cant possibly understand how people could you know, loop some samples for fun.

Your attitude is fine, except when you start saying to everyone else how its wrong. Very dogmatic and intolerant viewpoint. All forms of music are supposed to be about expression in as many forms possible, yet so many people who read forums too much scream dogma and 'facts' about right and wrongs in production and havent got anything to back it up. "Where are your tunes" isnt a great retort, but when you havent even got a tune youre willing to share with people dont you think its a bit rich saying 'this is wrong, you cant do it like this?''

Yes i do speak my mind, and speak the truth.

Seriously. The truth?

I dont want to get involved with any bullshit, just do yourself a favour, and please think about other peoples perspectives before laying down your pseudo facts. Listen to an hour of noise, just to find a new bit of inspriration. Try doing things completely differently. Only allow yourself to use 4 notes, or one synth, or a weird time sig. Sample a girls aloud cd. Record a day in the office.

I hope you take onboard what im syaing with the intention its meant.

Peas.

[laurend]

That isn't my cup of tea. I like Jackson Pollock for painting. I didn't heard any audio counterpart in this documentary. Maybe it's useful as a psychotherapy tool, but I can't imagine paying a ticket to attend to one of the performance.

[VirtualMark]

Ok fair enough, admittedly i do occasionally go a bit ott on my posting. My apologies if i cause any offence. With regard to this piece of hardware, it was just that i couldn't see the point in the device. Wub has kindly filled in a lot of details about it and i did indeed miss the point.

With regard to the doa thread, i did overreact a bit. The thread annoyed me, as it was just someone complaining about how other people learn. I did actually apologise to someone who's tunes were better than i thought they would be.

"Where are your tunes" isnt a great retort, but when you havent even got a tune youre willing to share with people dont you think its a bit rich saying 'this is wrong, you cant do it like this?''

I can appreciate good music, and as i said in this thread, i can also appreciate the sheer amount of hard work to make good music. I couldn't see the same amount of work going into some other artforms, but i'm not telling people how to do things.

Seriously. The truth?

I don't mean i'm always right. I mean that i don't lie to people about what i'm thinking just to go with the flow of everyone elses opinion.

[VirtualMark]

1. This is more interesting to look at. I've just taken it out the pack and put the batteries in to give it a trial run before I leave the office, and I've had my whole team gathered round having a mess around with it. If I'd loaded up FL and got a copy of Massive going, I'm going to hazard a guess that it wouldn't have gotten the same reaction.
2. This is more portable. It runs off batteries, and fits in the palm of my hand. At a pinch, I can sling it in a pocket when I go round a mate's house for a production session, or easily rig it up to run through my DJ mixer. Can't do that with a softsynth (unless I was running a laptop setup, which I'm not)
3. I don't know know anyone else who has one of these, so it's got niche value to me.
4. It's more fun.

Fair enough, thanks for elaborating.

I'm going to enjoy playing with it a lot more than I would a virus.

Seriously? I've not used a virus, but i've watched a few vids on them and they look pretty awesome. So if money was no object, you'd have this over a virus?

[wub]

I'm going to enjoy playing with it a lot more than I would a virus.

Seriously? I've not used a virus, but i've watched a few vids on them and they look pretty awesome. So if money was no object, you'd have this over a virus?

Honestly, yes. I've got my Darkstar next door, it's pretty much a virus for a fraction of the price, and ticks the 'desktop synth what makes bass' box quite nicely for me. I've just spent 30mins twisting the knobs on the BC8 whilst looking out the window watching the world go by. It was fucking ace, and exactly the sort of thing I wanted to do today.


(If money was no object, I might buy a Virus just because, but adding that caveat into an argument invalidates the reasoning behind it IMO)

[GV1]

I'm going to enjoy playing with it a lot more than I would a virus.

Seriously? I've not used a virus, but i've watched a few vids on them and they look pretty awesome. So if money was no object, you'd have this over a virus?

Honestly, yes. I've got my Darkstar next door, it's pretty much a virus for a fraction of the price, and ticks the 'desktop synth what makes bass' box quite nicely for me. I've just spent 30mins twisting the knobs on the BC8 whilst looking out the window watching the world go by. It was fucking ace, and exactly the sort of thing I wanted to do today.


(If money was no object, I might buy a Virus just because, but adding that caveat into an argument invalidates the reasoning behind it IMO)

Darkstar is a virus. I have the Darkstar. Unless you meant something else, in which case my bad :p

[wub]

I'm going to enjoy playing with it a lot more than I would a virus.

Seriously? I've not used a virus, but i've watched a few vids on them and they look pretty awesome. So if money was no object, you'd have this over a virus?

Honestly, yes. I've got my Darkstar next door, it's pretty much a virus for a fraction of the price, and ticks the 'desktop synth what makes bass' box quite nicely for me. I've just spent 30mins twisting the knobs on the BC8 whilst looking out the window watching the world go by. It was fucking ace, and exactly the sort of thing I wanted to do today.


(If money was no object, I might buy a Virus just because, but adding that caveat into an argument invalidates the reasoning behind it IMO)

Darkstar is a virus. I have the Darkstar. Unless you meant something else, in which case my bad :p

Redsound Darkstar, not the TI Polar you're thinking of.

[GV1]

I'm going to enjoy playing with it a lot more than I would a virus.

Seriously? I've not used a virus, but i've watched a few vids on them and they look pretty awesome. So if money was no object, you'd have this over a virus?

Honestly, yes. I've got my Darkstar next door, it's pretty much a virus for a fraction of the price, and ticks the 'desktop synth what makes bass' box quite nicely for me. I've just spent 30mins twisting the knobs on the BC8 whilst looking out the window watching the world go by. It was fucking ace, and exactly the sort of thing I wanted to do today.


(If money was no object, I might buy a Virus just because, but adding that caveat into an argument invalidates the reasoning behind it IMO)

Darkstar is a virus. I have the Darkstar. Unless you meant something else, in which case my bad :p

Redsound Darkstar, not the TI Polar you're thinking of.

Ah my bad!

[Fbac]

Video removed by uploaded.. Anyone remember the name of it?

[wub]

People Who Make Noise I believe.

[Fbac]

thx wub
"People Who Do Noise (2009)"
Directors: Cold Hands Video

[arktrix45hz]

Yes i do speak my mind, and speak the truth.

Truth, like noise, is subjective.

For the record, you're wrong about everything.

[VirtualMark]

Yes i do speak my mind, and speak the truth.

Truth, like noise, is subjective.

For the record, you're wrong about everything.

truth:

1. The quality or state of being true: "the truth of her accusation".
2. That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality: "tell me the truth".

subjective:

Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.


Firstly, if you're going to try and act like a smartass, at least read some things first. Preferably facts. This way you can avoid making a colossal ass of yourself. I'd start by perhaps learning something about the language you speak. For the record, truth has nothing to do with opinion or taste.

Secondly, you took my statement out of context. If you'd read the entire post, you'd see that i explained that i speak my mind rather than change my view to suit others.

Thirdly, to argue that something is subjective and then in the same paragraph to just declare someone's opinion wrong, is defeating the point you're attempting to make. You made yourself out to be a fool there.

Lastly, since this thread i have read a bit more about noise. The video posted here was pretty lame, i've seen some other stuff that isn't quite as lame. But it still takes way less skill than proper music. I can and have made noise by accident, i can't make a really good tune by accident or even if i put in all my effort. I liken it to painting squares black and calling it art, and the old analogy of 'i could do that', 'but you didn't' doesn't hold up. As i already have painted squares black when i was a toddler. I choose not to do mundane valueless bullshit with my adult life as i'd rather learn a skill.

[Fbac]

Dont want to get into the argument here but thought it worth saying.
I only appreciated noise when i saw it as an artform, that its the concept tieing it all together that makes it work.
A "tune" doesnt get you to think the way experimental music does, its a shame experimental music was alot more welcoming back in the days.

I dont like alot of it, its not pleasent but since learning about the concepts and the bigger meaning of things i have begun to see it in a new light.
Much like cubism... i looked at the paintings and thought.. wow thats terrible,,, and later in life started to understand what the artists were doing exploring diffrent ways we see things.

I belive alot of people on here are perhaps missing the point. (perhaps ive missed the point, i havent seen the documentary yet and havent read thru everyones comments here, just seen the argument "i create noise by accident thus it is easy" ... )

again not starting an argument just saying perhaps look for the context or ask what is the artist asking of me? Is this a concret piece , am i hearing plastic bags? is he trying to tell me something about the ecosystem?

[VirtualMark]

Dont want to get into the argument here but thought it worth saying.
I only appreciated noise when i saw it as an artform, that its the concept tieing it all together that makes it work.
A "tune" doesnt get you to think the way experimental music does, its a shame experimental music was alot more welcoming back in the days.

I dont like alot of it, its not pleasent but since learning about the concepts and the bigger meaning of things i have begun to see it in a new light.
Much like cubism... i looked at the paintings and thought.. wow thats terrible,,, and later in life started to understand what the artists were doing exploring diffrent ways we see things.

I belive alot of people on here are perhaps missing the point. (perhaps ive missed the point, i havent seen the documentary yet and havent read thru everyones comments here, just seen the argument "i create noise by accident thus it is easy" ... )

again not starting an argument just saying perhaps look for the context or ask what is the artist asking of me? Is this a concret piece , am i hearing plastic bags? is he trying to tell me something about the ecosystem?

Yeah some interesting points. Don't get me wrong, i'm not narrow minded by any standard. I studied physics when i was younger, and pretty much everything we've learnt about science tells us that what we see is only the tip of the iceberg. There's some mind blowing things you learn from this stuff, so i do like exploring things that opens my mind.

I guess i didn't appreciate this particular documentary due to the content - at one point a guy touches a wire on his tongue then shouts a couple of times, later a bunch of them just hit musical instruments randomly. Compare that with learning chords and putting a good melody together. I appreciate everyone has different views on what's art and don't want to bash someone else's opinion. It just seems that some things are of lesser value to humanity than others. And i personally respect someone's work more if its hard to recreate, what i saw in this vid was easily reproducible.

Watch the documentary through, see what you think. Like i said, i've seen other noise things since, and some are a bit better.

[wub]

Music is art, art is expression, expression is personal

[VirtualMark]

Music is art, art is expression, expression is personal

I must have missed the part of the documentary when they made music!


Its funny how many people defended noise, yet also how many people that continually bash popular and successful producers. If it were any other subject than art or music, then the choice would be obvious, for example:

Say, your car needed fixing. Mechanic A(noise) likes to kick the panels in and reverse it into walls for fun. Whereas mechanic B(successful music producer) has trained for years, achieved a high standard and has a good track record of fixing cars. We know which one we'd prefer to work on our car.

But with music and art, there seems to be a big divide in opinion as to what's good. It baffles me.

[wub]

Music is art, art is expression, expression is personal

I must have missed the part of the documentary when they made music!

Subjective.

But with music and art, there seems to be a big divide in opinion as to what's good. It baffles me.

If everyone liked the same stuff, the world would be a very boring place.

[Electric_Head]

If I`m making the noise as an expression of my musical vision then it`s both art and music.
If `m banging a drum to make a noise with no intention or thought of it being music/art then it isn`t.

These guys clearly consider it music/art.
I have to agree.

[MKRUGGER]

Bash Skrillex because his music is just "Noise" or "New age Garbaaaije!!1!1"

Then listen to people make static, and consider it art.

Very logical...

It's almost like me pulling out a plastic bowl, then taking two spoons and jamming out on this bowl like I'm a fucking pro..

You'd look at me like I'm a jackass.


And even worse, there's people who come on here with tracks, and they aren't quite good, but they are something.. And you guys tell them it's shit.

But then you listen to this "Noise" and say it's Art..

If that's art, then every single thing on this earth is Art.. Fuck, my feces is art, along with my hairy balls.

This thread ls lawlz.