Satanic Occult Symbols in Washington

[JBoy]

Battle of the EGO's.

[Pistonsbeneath]

i think saying made up is stretching it a bit to say the least

Ok, I hypothesise that a lot of it's made up. My posts are a "factual documentary" on that book... I read it, and I'm giving you my opinion.

I guess I'll get ignored again (seems to have been happening since I started breaking down the vids...) , but seeing as I've read/watched your sources (this one multiple times), would you consider reading the one I posted just once? You have nothing to fear/lose if you don't think it can change your mind. If it can change your mind, you might be glad of it.

I'll even lend you a copy if you don't want to give money to the publisher/writer beforehand. .. but surely an "open mind" reads both sides before picking one?

wow

could you be more condescending?

my videos?
watched my sources?

ive picked a side?

WOW

so because the holy blood and the holy grail doesnt seem 'made up' to me (thats a very strong way to put it given its a documenting of research) i am 'one of them' with 'my videos' and 'my sources'

and also youre assuming what sources i have checked out...

and i need to be talked down to like an idiot LOL

again i have to say of the two of us i really am the more open minded person and the most balanced with how i look at things

i dont think respecting that book is tantamount to believing reptilians are going to kidnap me

WOW

maybe we should stop if you cant debate with a little balance

[noam]

^^
what exactly ARE your thoughts then, like, spell them out, so there's no confusion in the debate if you're being misunderstood

if you dont think the book is stretching the truth, how far do you think it goes? what is your evaluation?

reasonable questions i think, reckon it'd clear up a lot of the misunderstanding

[magma]

again i have to say of the two of us i really am the more open minded person and the most balanced with how i look at things

i dont think respecting that book is tantamount to believing reptilians are going to kidnap me

I didn't say any of that anywhere I commented on being ignored and asked you to read a book...

It wasn't meant to be condescending. My tone sucks, apologies. It's just my opinion based on reading some of the same material you appear to have done... it's a great piece of "investigative journalism", but that's a very broad genre spanning people trying to get to the (unfortunately usually boring) truth and those trying to imagine what could be happening - from Simon Schama to Noam Chomksy to Glenn Beck to David Irving - it's not an easy place to start attributing trust. For some reason, the ones with the (perhaps overactive) imaginations encourage us to think that reading them "opens our mind" - similar to how religious texts do - when really they offer us a little flight of fancy in the same way that science fiction does... or Dan Brown, more relevantly perhaps.

I do find it interesting that I'm usually challenged (not just by you, necessarily) in these conversations to read books or watch videos (which I normally do eventually despite still being said to have a closed mind... I'm actually a bit of a sponge), but when I post a suggestion it normally gets ignored. That doesn't imply "open minds" to me. It rather implies minds that were open until they read something that convinced them to stop looking anymore... why would you close yourself off from the possibility of being wrong? Isn't that what religious people do?

On the flip, show me something to show I should give a damn and I'll happily admit you're right; my seventeen year old self is still clinging onto the hope that it'll all unravel one day.... but these conspiracy theories have been touted for centuries and nobody has ever proved a word of it, it's incredibly similar to religious teaching - yeah, it's all possible... but no, after a while, it's just not going to happen, is it? Christians tell me I need to open my mind to the truth as well... it's because they don't have any proof for what they believe... which is probably because it's not true.

Another good book, from much earlier on is this:



I was recommended it by a Ninja in the book thread. Published in the 1840s on pretty much the same lines as the book I recommended (Voodoo Histories)... honestly, if people have been looking for the answers to the "secret elites" for well over 160 years and still not managed to uncover anything it's time we started looking for better teachers... it's the wildest goose chase going (save for maybe monotheism). We could all be doing something useful.

[magma]

Incidentally - I could be that shitty about a record or movie I didn't like and it wouldn't provoke such a heated response. It's the book and people that do believe it word-for-word I was attacking, not you. You haven't told me what you believe so I can't really react to you - the book was brought up, I said what I thought about it. It's a forum... we're all cool.

[Ricky_Spanish]

FFS this is old news, these guys already found the GRAIL in the 70's.



Also, this guy:



found the ARK:



It didnt end well:





How is any of this more interesting than cosmology/physics/biology/complexity/consciousness?

[parson]

holy shit magma read cosmic trigger and can only relate to it to his reality tunnel as made up!! bob would be giggling his irish ass off!

[James Kofi]

most ppl who don't believe in conspiracy theories will still believe in the conspiracy theory that all conspiracy theorists are cynical, lying, money grabbing whores.

I just try to bear in mind that many of these theories and theorists originate in america.

[kay]

i think saying made up is stretching it a bit to say the least

Ok, I hypothesise that a lot of it's made up. My posts are a "factual documentary" on that book... I read it, and I'm giving you my opinion.

I guess I'll get ignored again (seems to have been happening since I started breaking down the vids...) , but seeing as I've read/watched your sources (this one multiple times), would you consider reading the one I posted just once? You have nothing to fear/lose if you don't think it can change your mind. If it can change your mind, you might be glad of it.

I'll even lend you a copy if you don't want to give money to the publisher/writer beforehand. .. but surely an "open mind" reads both sides before picking one?

wow

could you be more condescending?

my videos?
watched my sources?

ive picked a side?

WOW

so because the holy blood and the holy grail doesnt seem 'made up' to me (thats a very strong way to put it given its a documenting of research) i am 'one of them' with 'my videos' and 'my sources'

and also youre assuming what sources i have checked out...

and i need to be talked down to like an idiot LOL

again i have to say of the two of us i really am the more open minded person and the most balanced with how i look at things

i dont think respecting that book is tantamount to believing reptilians are going to kidnap me

WOW

maybe we should stop if you cant debate with a little balance

Wat? Do you even read what you write? Magma's put forward very balanced, level and non-aggressive responses. But you keep making it all sound like personal attacks against you.

[lloydnoise]

have you read it lloyd?

why do you think it was banned in so many countries?

yeh, it's been on my parents bookshelf as far back as I remember and I've read it a couple of times.

It was banned in a lot of Roman catholic countries because it made claims about christiantity that offended a lot of people. Tell me why you think it was banned?

The book was inspired by, and partially based on a French book called L’Or de Rennes by a guy called Pierre Plantard (and lots of other books with similar hypotheses/stories, many of which are fiction).
Even he admitted that there was a lot of conjecture in his book and therefore in the book that it inspired; Holy Blood Holy Grail. That's a pretty shaky foundation.

There is something called historical evidence – there is something called the historical method – and if you look around the shelves of bookshops there is a lot of history being published, and people mistake this type of history for the real thing. These kinds of books do appeal to an enormous audience who believe them to be 'history', but actually they aren't history, they are a kind of parody of history. Alas, though, I think that one has to say that this is the direction that history is going today

[JTMMusicuk]

All of the worlds leaders are reptiles

[noam]

I just try to bear in mind that many of these theories and theorists originate in america.

is that true tho

[lloydnoise]

holy shit magma read cosmic trigger and can only relate to it to his reality tunnel as made up!! bob would be giggling his irish ass off!

reality tunnels are cool but they basically mean "you can't be wrong because your truth is true even if no-one else experiences it or agrees with you"..
Kind of useless in the real world, a complex social mess where truths sometimes need to be agreed upon.

[JBoy]

Pistons you remind me of a scotsman thats watched braveheart and now believes that william wallace was a long haired peasant in a kilt. My point being is that the facts in history are often twisted and re written for the masses. Does your knowledge on the holy grail come soley from the da vinci code because thats the sort of level your responses are on.

[gwa]

there's some homos in this thread.

[Pistonsbeneath]

Pistons you remind me of a scotsman thats watched braveheart and now believes that william wallace was a long haired peasant in a kilt. My point being is that the facts in history are often twisted and re written for the masses. Does your knowledge on the holy grail come soley from the da vinci code because thats the sort of level your responses are on.

yeah thanks

i have never read the da vinci code or watched the film

the holy blood and the holy grail wasnt written for the masses i dont know what youre talking about, it was research presented as research

@magma i've not at any point asked you to read anything, not sure where this fixation comes from i think youre putting me in a box of people that don't take the piss out of non conventional thinking..

@kay he's very good at arguing university style, excellent at making the other person out to be trying to do something and putting words in their mouth i'd say...i don't think its reasonable to continue stating im doing something i'm quite clearly not

@llloyd because it scared people

[kay]

I think everyone on every side of this debate is probably tired of it coming up for the umpteenth time. Should consolidate into a Skrillex-style thread, and we can happily fill it up with amusing gifs.

[gwa]

guys i think you're all forgetting that this thread is about fucking satanic symbolism.

[JTMMusicuk]

somone needs to lock this thread, whats the point in squabbling like little girls over something like this where you can argue nothing can be proven because anything you see online or on a book could be compleley false or based on lies, believe what you want to believe but tbh if your going to go the route of believing the conspiracy theories then all your doing is giving people a reason to think your just a paranoid mess

[Pedro Sánchez]

somone needs to lock this thread, whats the point in squabbling like little girls over something like this where you can argue nothing can be proven because anything you see online or on a book could be compleley false or based on lies, believe what you want to believe but tbh if your going to go the route of believing the conspiracy theories then all your doing is giving people a reason to think your just a paranoid mess

You are wrong.