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Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:50 pm

gremino wrote:The way I see things, is that this is about cat and mouse play here: All innovative, edgy and trueheart producers are always fleeing copycat bros who messes up their current scene, to create a new one. And when that new one becomes big enough, it can't be hidden anymore and it becomes a new prey for all copycatters. And the cycle continues - constant fleeing

so true

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:57 pm

gremino wrote: I think Geeneus is one who recognizes this; he doesn't waste his time for bad music. Instead he constantly goes with the flow to play and produce good music. Some would call this bandwagon jumping, but for me jungle, garage, grime, dubstep, funky are all the same music at the end of the day. Just different form. I wonder how things would be, if producers/djs/listeners would accept this. Propably less energy output for fighting against the windmill (trying genres to not get all bro/nerdy/hipster) and more energy for just going with the flow towards good music.

And if someone fears that they will lose that original dubstep sound forever, do not fear: it will come back, but just in an another form. It's just like that original junglist vibe never really didn't disappear. It came back via 2step and dubstep. And that dubstep vibe, say 05' for example will certainly come back, but in an another form. This is what i believe.

rinse.fm is in an extremely difficult position. in some respects the most difficult, because there's an expectation that they will always be shaping the underground as they have for over a decade. add to that, the fact that its pushing nearly 4 genres of music during the course of the week, means that its no easy task.

this scene is already mutating. some of the most inspiring music has come out this year. music that you couldn't describe easily or put into boxes, which in turn is exactly how the foundations of all of this started. progressions.

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:03 pm

Hahaha wisdom is absent when views are blinkered, only a wise man takes in all aspects of his surroundings, understanding why each element exists and what it's part is in the whole. When all elements are recognised for their importance in the whole is when a man is truly enlightened.

Wisdom is the last thing I would associate with the negative posts in this thread.

Scenes don't become splintered because of change in sound, scenes get splintered when closed minded attitudes prevail and people's self importance becomes the driving force of their actions.

There's room for everything in this music, thats what makes it great, thats what makes it dubstep, an open minded attitude towards bass fuelled antics was what this scene was founded on, not the chin stroking romanticism from people on the sidelines.

Now is someone going to answer my questions or just continue to step around them whilst making schoolboy pot shots, it's funny how self opinionated people are when ranting but can't seem to articulate themselves in proper debate. Again, not much wisdom being shown really.

julesee · Post by **julesee** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:05 pm

Shouldn't bros be listening to kotton mouth kings, shotgunning beers, and riding dirtbikes instead of listening to dubstep

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:07 pm

hellfire machina wrote:bass fuelled antics was what this scene was founded on

so true

loefahs tunes have no bass clearly as nobody is complaining about them

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:09 pm

akindele wrote:
hellfire machina wrote:I have a few questions -

Does anyone else see the irony of the fact that the biggest moaners on this board about this subject are people that have very little involvment in the music other than standing on the sidelines. It seems that the biggest blasts of negativity comes from the hobbyists.

Is it that some people feel threatened by the new guard, it's only evolution of sound after all, change is good no? Or is that only relevant in politics now?

These people who you call "moaners" are the ones who held up this music, are the ones who supported this music when it was'nt fashionable. Brought tunes, went to the nights when it was'nt the cool thing to do. And these people are a little upset and frustrated that the music they love is being stripped of it's roots and culture and being taken into a direction that's the opposite of what this music was all about in the first place.[/quote]

I call bulshit on that one bruv, the ones who held this music up and still do are the people that produce and spin it and the behind the scenes people that make shit happen, as for roots and culture you sound ridiculous because the roots and culture of this music were based on being open minded and pushing something forward.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:19 pm

I don't care about mainstream or not or who listens to the music or how big the events are, hell, I don't even care why people like what they like. If they like stuff 'just because it's popular', well, good for them. Can't hold the fact that people like something against them. You know, how bigger dubstep or any musical scene I dig is, the better. Just one more reason for people to get together and share their love for the music.... or hell, the moment.

I usually stay out of these things, really. It's all just bullcrap.

The reason why so many people are annoyed with 'jumpup' gaining popularity being the 'norm' is actually kinda simple. It's incredibly formulaic. And while that doesn't make the tunes 'bad', chances are, you'll hear that formula a million times. Some songs are good, some are bad. However, when you get to that point, it doesn't matter. Because once you hear a good song, you've already heard a crappier version of it a million times.

And a million times more, actually.

And what's left is, you hear the same song a million times, more people book the jumpup, less people book the good heavy middle ground or the deeper tunes, or the 2-steppier or dubbier tunes and what you get is the scene turning one-dimensional.

Now, I rarely take time to complain about these things, but all these people going all defensive about shit like this, keep in mind: people can dislike things you like for legit reasons and people can feel bummed out and betrayed because after years of having gone out, enjoyed their nights of incredibly varied dubstep, all they get now is the millionth, formulaic, by the number dubstep dancefloor banger. Basically, their fun is ruined. A lot. Now you can trivialize that all you want, but that little piece of fun is actually a pretty important thing to have in your life.

However, no amount of complaining is going to change anything. If you can't change reality, change yourself to put up with it. Or get together with friends and book your own deep nights. Whatever. I'm sick of the music scene and nights here so I've decided to book shit myself.

It's ok to be bummed out and it's completely justified, but posting about it on a message board all the time isn't going to change it.

PS. Some people do have mouths to feed other than their own, or expenses to take care of. It's easy to say that 'selling out is bad', but if I were to support a household, for example, or wanted some financial stability in the future (especially in our modern economic climate), no amount of punk rawk ideals is going to secure that. I'd rather be able to put my kids through college than to make some kids (of which 90% likely only downloads my stuff anyway) I've never met happy with tunes.

hellfire machina wrote:I call bulshit on that one bruv, the ones who held this music up and still do are the people that produce and spin it and the behind the scenes people that make shit happen, as for roots and culture you sound ridiculous because the roots and culture of this music were based on being open minded and pushing something forward.

Religiously sticking to a formula isn't pushing things forward. That's putting development to a standstill.

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:47 pm

I guess I'm lucky enough to have not really experienced many nights of hearing the same thing over and over. Sure there will be some parties guilty of this but I fail to see it as an epidemic like people would like to lead me to believe. I really don't see this formulaic disease that you guys do, sure theres a ton of shit tunes, always has been, always will be but that can be said for all aspects of this music.

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it which has lead to the likes of Datsik and co entering the arena and blowing the fuck up. In terms of sound design and synthesis, its the heavier end of the scale that is reppin this more so than any other side of the scene right now. However the misinformed soapbox crew would have you believe its merely a matter of pushing a few buttons and hey presto instant tune. All that shows is lack of knowledge really.

Horses for courses I guess, some people thrive on the sound being pushed forward in terms of what is physically being implemented in the production of tunes, others see pushing things forward as eternally reinventing itself.

I love the heavier side of things at the minute but I'm also impartial to the deepness as well, as for 2 step it's kinda ingrained in my dna. I'm a fan of all of it. Coming from a breaks background in terms of production , it's great to see the cross polination thats going on right now, the same as I'm loving the revival of 2 step and the influence it has on dubstep today.

Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

evil madmen · Post by **evil madmen** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:49 pm

hellfire machina wrote:
Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

well put

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:02 pm

hellfire machina wrote:I really don't see this formulaic disease that you guys do, sure theres a ton of shit tunes, always has been, always will be but that can be said for all aspects of this music.

that's true but dubstep pertained to difference

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it...

this could not be further from the truth

Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

i would say it was in from 2005-2007

i don't hate wobble on principle btw...i hate things becoming generic....the dubstep mix in my sig has deep, wobble, skullstep & lighter fluffy stuff in it..

this is pointless of course but it takes 2 parties to carry on a debate...if you don't care what people think don't respond...

and without fans behind the music btw it would die so to say the fans are less important than the people making the music is strange...

i wouldn't mind betting too that the dubstep most downloaded by file sharers is the generic midrange chainsaw stuff and the deeper stuff is supported by real music fans buying itt off juno & digital-tunes

but hey thats an assumption but i'd put money on it!

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:03 pm

hellfire machina wrote:I guess I'm lucky enough to have not really experienced many nights of hearing the same thing over and over. Sure there will be some parties guilty of this but I fail to see it as an epidemic like people would like to lead me to believe. I really don't see this formulaic disease that you guys do, sure theres a ton of shit tunes, always has been, always will be but that can be said for all aspects of this music.

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it which has lead to the likes of Datsik and co entering the arena and blowing the fuck up. In terms of sound design and synthesis, its the heavier end of the scale that is reppin this more so than any other side of the scene right now. However the misinformed soapbox crew would have you believe its merely a matter of pushing a few buttons and hey presto instant tune. All that shows is lack of knowledge really.

Horses for courses I guess, some people thrive on the sound being pushed forward in terms of what is physically being implemented in the production of tunes, others see pushing things forward as eternally reinventing itself.

I love the heavier side of things at the minute but I'm also impartial to the deepness as well, as for 2 step it's kinda ingrained in my dna. I'm a fan of all of it. Coming from a breaks background in terms of production , it's great to see the cross polination thats going on right now, the same as I'm loving the revival of 2 step and the influence it has on dubstep today.

Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

It's location related. You're rather blessed, being from New York and all, but 90% of the dubstep audience doesn't live in such cosmopolitan areas. I live in a place where there's really only dubstep at squat parties. The only thing the DJs spin is formulaic stuff. I'm sure lots of people are in a similar position.

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:23 pm

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it...

this could not be further from the truth [/quote]

Then if I was you I would do my homework because you'll find out that your wrong bruv, this music has been developing since the turn of the millenium.

There was a huge breaky, big dirty bassline element in dubstep in the early days, the deeper side of things was more prevalent for sure , I guess all that has happened is the table has turned.

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:25 pm

Genevieve wrote:
hellfire machina wrote:I guess I'm lucky enough to have not really experienced many nights of hearing the same thing over and over. Sure there will be some parties guilty of this but I fail to see it as an epidemic like people would like to lead me to believe. I really don't see this formulaic disease that you guys do, sure theres a ton of shit tunes, always has been, always will be but that can be said for all aspects of this music.

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it which has lead to the likes of Datsik and co entering the arena and blowing the fuck up. In terms of sound design and synthesis, its the heavier end of the scale that is reppin this more so than any other side of the scene right now. However the misinformed soapbox crew would have you believe its merely a matter of pushing a few buttons and hey presto instant tune. All that shows is lack of knowledge really.

Horses for courses I guess, some people thrive on the sound being pushed forward in terms of what is physically being implemented in the production of tunes, others see pushing things forward as eternally reinventing itself.

I love the heavier side of things at the minute but I'm also impartial to the deepness as well, as for 2 step it's kinda ingrained in my dna. I'm a fan of all of it. Coming from a breaks background in terms of production , it's great to see the cross polination thats going on right now, the same as I'm loving the revival of 2 step and the influence it has on dubstep today.

Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

It's location related. You're rather blessed, being from New York and all, but 90% of the dubstep audience doesn't live in such cosmopolitan areas. I live in a place where there's really only dubstep at squat parties. The only thing the DJs spin is formulaic stuff. I'm sure lots of people are in a similar position.

Then would it be fair to say that your opinions on this matter are based on whats happening in your locale rather than the reality of the scene as a whole?

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:27 pm

hellfire machina wrote:
Genevieve wrote:
hellfire machina wrote:I guess I'm lucky enough to have not really experienced many nights of hearing the same thing over and over. Sure there will be some parties guilty of this but I fail to see it as an epidemic like people would like to lead me to believe. I really don't see this formulaic disease that you guys do, sure theres a ton of shit tunes, always has been, always will be but that can be said for all aspects of this music.

The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it which has lead to the likes of Datsik and co entering the arena and blowing the fuck up. In terms of sound design and synthesis, its the heavier end of the scale that is reppin this more so than any other side of the scene right now. However the misinformed soapbox crew would have you believe its merely a matter of pushing a few buttons and hey presto instant tune. All that shows is lack of knowledge really.

Horses for courses I guess, some people thrive on the sound being pushed forward in terms of what is physically being implemented in the production of tunes, others see pushing things forward as eternally reinventing itself.

I love the heavier side of things at the minute but I'm also impartial to the deepness as well, as for 2 step it's kinda ingrained in my dna. I'm a fan of all of it. Coming from a breaks background in terms of production , it's great to see the cross polination thats going on right now, the same as I'm loving the revival of 2 step and the influence it has on dubstep today.

Again I don't see the current landscape as a bad one, in fact I'd go as far to say that its one of the most interesting times in edm.

It's location related. You're rather blessed, being from New York and all, but 90% of the dubstep audience doesn't live in such cosmopolitan areas. I live in a place where there's really only dubstep at squat parties. The only thing the DJs spin is formulaic stuff. I'm sure lots of people are in a similar position.

Then would it be fair to say that your opinions on this matter are based on whats happening in your locale rather than the reality of the scene as a whole?

A lot of people who listen to dubstep are in the exact same boat. Very likely most. And as I said, I'm not that worried. I just stated why people feel about stuff the way they do. Places like NYC never have anything to worry about when it comes to music scenes. Places like those are a minority among minority.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:34 pm

hellfire machina wrote:The harder end of the spectrum has been in dubstep since day one, a more complex production style developed out of it...

this could not be further from the truth

Then if I was you I would do my homework because you'll find out that your wrong bruv, this music has been developing since the turn of the millenium.

There was a huge breaky, big dirty bassline element in dubstep in the early days, the deeper side of things was more prevalent for sure , I guess all that has happened is the table has turned.[/quote]

i am from croydon and have heard all the early dubstep...there wasn't anything even remotely like the 'big' dirty basslines we have everywhere now until late 06-07...and it was used sparingly...vex'd in 05' had nasty bass of course but i think the issue is here you thinking that generic throwaway basslines with 'dirty' sounds in them can be linked back to early dubstep because it had large basslines.....totally different feel to it and a lot more memorable...vex'd 'thunder' is a far more advanced sound requiring more production know how than anything from the beatporttoptenheressomemorestuffthatsoundslikeeverythingelseyouveenduredrecentlystep

and whats with the bruv?

are you a u.s. national?

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:45 pm

I'm from Eltham bruv.

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Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:47 pm

then i guess you can say bruv if you must lol

hellfire machina · Post by **hellfire machina** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:56 pm

Pistonsbeneath wrote:then i guess you can say bruv if you must lol

I've been saying bruv since i was around 15 yrs old lol, I'm 34 now.

cosmic revenge · Post by **cosmic revenge** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:05 pm

Pistonsbeneath wrote:then i guess you can say bruv if you must lol

bruvstep?

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