Diet + Spiritual Wellbeing

[alien pimp]

anyway, to make it clear:
when i said "recently" on the anti-oxidants shit i meant it like this year, i guess it was sometimes early this summer when i heard about it, so it's gotta be something discovered/published around that time i suppose
still waiting confirmation on that, as i said, i'll bother when i'll bother, who's got better?

[DRTY]

Have you read his book? It's fucking brilliant, and yeah the McKieth chapter was immense

[DRTY]

haven't scientists changed their mind just recently about antioxidants saying they're bad now?
my mum told me so didn't have time to check her out, but she reads tons of shit on nutrition

I don't think scientists ever backed antioxidants? They were all over the media backed by psuedoscience, but I don't think they ever got any authentic credit.

[magma]

Have you read his book? It's fucking brilliant, and yeah the McKieth chapter was immense

Yeah, my Dad always used to cut his Guardian column out for me too... he's science's Charlie Brooker only with less swearing.

[alien pimp]

haven't scientists changed their mind just recently about antioxidants saying they're bad now?
my mum told me so didn't have time to check her out, but she reads tons of shit on nutrition

I don't think scientists ever backed antioxidants? They were all over the media backed by psuedoscience, but I don't think they ever got any authentic credit.

even better!
got into that link you provided, it shows that what my mum read was apparently a rehash of old shit, serious knowledge available on the real effects of antioxidants has been available long before this year.
never was into that much, never claimed i knew much about that, that's why i asked for confirmation, thanks for providing, this is how it's done!

[DRTY]

haven't scientists changed their mind just recently about antioxidants saying they're bad now?
my mum told me so didn't have time to check her out, but she reads tons of shit on nutrition

I don't think scientists ever backed antioxidants? They were all over the media backed by psuedoscience, but I don't think they ever got any authentic credit.

even better!
got into that link you provided, it shows that what my mum read was apparently a rehash of old shit, serious knowledge available on the real effects of antioxidants has been available long before this year.
never was into that much, never claimed i knew much about that, that's why i asked for confirmation, thanks for providing, this is how it's done!

Get the book mate, it's bloody briliiant. It's really easy to read (I'm not saying you're a mong or anything), and you learn a fucking tonne at the same time. Thoroughly enjoyable.

[alien pimp]

i will say right away i'd like to but i don't see myself doing it for time reasons, i'll rely on you when needed haha

interesting stuff is nestle was selling until recently some green nestea advertised as a great health aid for being stuffed with antioxidants, while obviously science on it was available
and they're not the only ones. just another confirmation these companies don't refrain themselves from advertising bad shit as healthy (connecting this with the earlier dispute on coke) just to get your bucks
usually the bigger they are, the heartless they are, the more people they kill
conspiracy?
whatever...

[DRTY]

i will say right away i'd like to but i don't see myself doing it for time reasons, i'll rely on you when needed haha

interesting stuff is nestle was selling until recently some green nestea advertised as a great health aid for being stuffed with antioxidants, while obviously science on it was available
and they're not the only ones. just another confirmation these companies don't refrain themselves from advertising bad shit as healthy (connecting this with the earlier dispute on coke) just to get your bucks
usually the bigger they are, the heartless they are, the more people they kill
conspiracy?
whatever...

Don't think it's a conspiracy. I doubt they're conciously trying to lower the health of people. They just invent problems and market existing/new products as solutions to these make believe problems. It's just dirty business, and horrible advertising.

They just do it in ways which is legal. They have people dedicated to inventing these problems in companies, generally called marketing!

Omega 3, Antioxidants, Detox, Friendly Bacteria, etc etc etc, all just psuedoscience. They all basically rely on the return to mean and placebo effect.

EDIT: not necesarily all these things are bad, they are just not good, or they are not curing anything.

[magma]

Side point, but it's also worth noting that the vitamins and supplements markets are much less regulated than for "medicines"... you don't have to have your contents checked out too much to sell a herbal remedy, in fact when I was last interested in this (after reading Not On The Label - great book on the subject of nutrition, farming and food politics), it's perfectly possible to sell parsley tablets and market them as echinacea.. as long as you're not selling a controlled substance, you can get away with a lot.

Companies don't need to take any pleasure in lowering the health of the public, profit is enough. If these products were good for you, companies would be just as happy to sell you them.... it's just simple market forces. Bad scientists create public health scare and/or "fashionable" nutrition advice, indifferent companies hijack it and produce "cool" products and bad consumers fill their boots with the new products. And so the cycle of bullshit continues...

Humans are best off eating a balanced diet, it's what we evolved to eat. Again, the common sense answer reigns supreme. Well, until someone like Aubrey de Grey tells us different and we all start extreme low-calory living for centuries.

[dreamizm]

i'm glad to say sorry for posting incorrect stuff, excuse me for making a mistake, i know normally that never happens here, hence the rabid intolerance of dreamizm

Nah bruv, dont take it personal. Just frustrating to see a good thread get side-tracked by false/misleading claims.

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[ch3]

I think people get too easily obsessed with their food. I work in a vegan cafe, we've got raw menu as well, and I've seen well too many people that are simply too preoccupied with what they eat. I would say get your fresh fruit and veg, eat as little of refined and modified shit as possible, but when you feel like chocolate cake from time to time, just go for it. You will soon notice that eating healthy becomes quite natural and you won't even be tempted by most of the shit. I don't eat meat nor fish, but if someone chooses to do otherwise I've got no problem with that. I don't like the whole industrialization of meat (and other food) production, but as we don't live in ideal world, something had to be done to provide cheap nutrition. If you can afford it though, go for checked sources, steroid free meat etc.

Dreamizm mentioned raw food diet. I've met many people that gave it a go, and ALL of them ended up ill (after months of feeling great, their health suddenly started to decline) because we've lost ability to digest raw food properly (someone has mentioned enzymes before). After 7 years of being pretty strict vegan in terms of diet I can't digest lactose anymore either. One thing I despise about the raw diet is that it seems to attract all kind of wannabe gurus and preachers.

Potato are the tricky ones. Once they start sprouting, they become toxic. When they are green, they are toxic. Not to the point they would kill you, but they actually can make you sick. I love them nonetheless...

Anyway if you're about in Soho in London, pop into my workplace. As shit as the work itself is, the food is great <3

[dreamizm]

Dreamizm mentioned raw food diet. I've met many people that gave it a go, and ALL of them ended up ill (after months of feeling great, their health suddenly started to decline) because we've lost ability to digest raw food properly (someone has mentioned enzymes before). After 7 years of being pretty strict vegan in terms of diet I can't digest lactose anymore either. One thing I despise about the raw diet is that it seems to attract all kind of wannabe gurus and preachers.

That's interesting uno. I've never consciously tried to eat raw food over cooked (mainly due to taste concerns) but something always struck me as a bit weird about ppl who do it...exclusively anyway! I mean think of all the acid and enzymes in raw veg and veg that your body would have to digest... 3 times a day!

Definitely wana get into juicing (fruit and veg) but wld keep it only once a day I reckon. there are def a lot of food nuts abt taking things toooo extremes these days

Anyone got any thoughts on microwaving food? I know there is probably nothing true in it but the conspiracy theorist/paranoid in me has always thought that by exposing your food (esp veg) to radiation you are destroying its vitality? I always just re-heat on the hob, if I can!

[magma]

Anyway if you're about in Soho in London, pop into my workplace. As shit as the work itself is, the food is great <3

Where do you work? I live just off Oxford Circus and my housemate eats in Soho most days, so I'll give him the heads up!

[DRTY]

Side point, but it's also worth noting that the vitamins and supplements markets are much less regulated than for "medicines"... you don't have to have your contents checked out too much to sell a herbal remedy, in fact when I was last interested in this (after reading Not On The Label - great book on the subject of nutrition, farming and food politics), it's perfectly possible to sell parsley tablets and market them as echinacea.. as long as you're not selling a controlled substance, you can get away with a lot.

Companies don't need to take any pleasure in lowering the health of the public, profit is enough. If these products were good for you, companies would be just as happy to sell you them.... it's just simple market forces. Bad scientists create public health scare and/or "fashionable" nutrition advice, indifferent companies hijack it and produce "cool" products and bad consumers fill their boots with the new products. And so the cycle of bullshit continues...

Humans are best off eating a balanced diet, it's what we evolved to eat. Again, the common sense answer reigns supreme. Well, until someone like Aubrey de Grey tells us different and we all start extreme low-calory living for centuries.

That's the ticket. Eating a variety of food gives you everything you need. You don't need to take silly expensive pills to do something your body has evolved perfectly to do so over millions of years.

Can't resist posting this, I know it's comedy but the things they mention are real homepathic practices.

[ch3]

I've never consciously tried to eat raw food over cooked (mainly due to taste concerns) but something always struck me as a bit weird about ppl who do it...exclusively anyway! I mean think of all the acid and enzymes in raw veg and veg that your body would have to digest... 3 times a day!

Definitely wana get into juicing (fruit and veg) but wld keep it only once a day I reckon. there are def a lot of food nuts abt taking things toooo extremes these days

I experimented for two months on raw fruit and greens diet during summertime couple of years ago. Felt good, light, and my taste buds became much more sensitive to flavours afterward

I think it's better to munch an apple than juice one - because of the friction of the blades the temperature raises and I'm pretty sure said apple is not even raw anymore. Unless you've got one of them cool cold press machines that we use to make juice from greens.

I can give you some smoothie and veggie juice recipes from our shop if you want to try, I know them by heart, haha (my boss will kill me)

[alien pimp]

i will say right away i'd like to but i don't see myself doing it for time reasons, i'll rely on you when needed haha

interesting stuff is nestle was selling until recently some green nestea advertised as a great health aid for being stuffed with antioxidants, while obviously science on it was available
and they're not the only ones. just another confirmation these companies don't refrain themselves from advertising bad shit as healthy (connecting this with the earlier dispute on coke) just to get your bucks
usually the bigger they are, the heartless they are, the more people they kill
conspiracy?
whatever...

Don't think it's a conspiracy. I doubt they're conciously trying to lower the health of people. They just invent problems and market existing/new products as solutions to these make believe problems. It's just dirty business, and horrible advertising.

the intentional lowering of people's health isn't necessarily companies' initiative (yet most of them are close to the powers that be, look at the bilderberg participants list), it's just supported and encouraged by some others, they're tools. that shit gets approved by the governments before getting on the market, based on studies. who made those studies? why aren't they better at seeing the crimes against health and tolerate that?
who can believe they are just stupid?
intentionally ignoring some aspects is bad will.

and if they are willing to sell crap as medicine, they are willing to do anything, so they would easily sell out to whoever gives them some leverage on competition or something like that

incompetence is no excuse when you have such huge capitals that can afford you competence
that argument doesn't really stand up, but even if it does and you make it like: these big companies are too stupid to do you good, the result on your health is the same, the attitude that needs to be taken towards them is the same: fucking boycott!

[alien pimp]

i'm glad to say sorry for posting incorrect stuff, excuse me for making a mistake, i know normally that never happens here, hence the rabid intolerance of dreamizm

Nah bruv, dont take it personal. Just frustrating to see a good thread get side-tracked by false/misleading claims.

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safe, even people like me make mistakes once in a blue moon
no need for frustration, just plain straight in the face proofs of your point

[ch3]

Anyway if you're about in Soho in London, pop into my workplace. As shit as the work itself is, the food is great <3

Where do you work? I live just off Oxford Circus and my housemate eats in Soho most days, so I'll give him the heads up!

Argh, sorry for editing, I completely forgot about a couple of things...

[DRTY]

incompetence is no excuse when you have such huge capitals that can afford you competence
that argument doesn't really stand up, but even if it does and you make it like: these big companies are too stupid to do you good, the result on your health is the same, the attitude that needs to be taken towards them is the same: fucking boycott!

For me the solution is just for people to wake up, they just need to do the smallest bit of research to find out the claims made in adverts are bollocks. I know the companies shouldn't be purveying shit in the first place, but that's just business. If they can scare someone into buying something then they'll exploit that.

The situation is created because (moral) products selling legit stuff with no scare tactics sell less than those with scare tactics involved, so for them scare tactics is the winner. It's very much the same as how news operators work. They aren't particularly fussed about the truth of an article, only the most ridiculous headline they can create from it. As these sell copies, and selling copies means larger advertising rates.

But yes, boycotting this stuff is only a good thing, that and telling people that it's total BS.

The companies aren't stupid though, as much as these ideas are wrong, they are created, delivered, and sold with scary efficiency. It's shocking how fast their imaginary problems become standardly accepted in society. For example, 10 years ago no one thought they needed 'friendly bacteria' in their fucking milk or whatever.

[alien pimp]

incompetence is no excuse when you have such huge capitals that can afford you competence
that argument doesn't really stand up, but even if it does and you make it like: these big companies are too stupid to do you good, the result on your health is the same, the attitude that needs to be taken towards them is the same: fucking boycott!

For me the solution is just for people to wake up, they just need to do the smallest bit of research to find out the claims made in adverts are bollocks. I know the companies shouldn't be purveying shit in the first place, but that's just business. If they can scare someone into buying something then they'll exploit that.

The situation is created because (moral) products selling legit stuff with no scare tactics sell less than those with scare tactics involved, so for them scare tactics is the winner. It's very much the same as how news operators work. They aren't particularly fussed about the truth of an article, only the most ridiculous headline they can create from it. As these sell copies, and selling copies means larger advertising rates.

But yes, boycotting this stuff is only a good thing, that and telling people that it's total BS.

The companies aren't stupid though, as much as these ideas are wrong, they are created, delivered, and sold with scary efficiency. It's shocking how fast their imaginary problems become standardly accepted in society. For example, 10 years ago no one thought they needed 'friendly bacteria' in their fucking milk or whatever.

word!
the government should regulate them, by all means , but they don't, au contraire.
so my "conspirationist" suspicions are aimed mainly at the govs.
but again, they are now hand in hand, they don't have only a regulator - regulated relationship, so from tools many companies became partners in crime, and others have enough power to be the ones who actually regulate the gov and be above the law
because being irresponsible with the public law is no business rule, it's ILLEGAL, and law is not enforced on them, how come?

this is beyond greed now