grant morrison - disinfo con lecture - magick

[2manynoobs]

who are you talking to?

I don't know either how it all works. I just said how I saw it from my eyes..

[parson]

i quit clicking on his posts.

[2manynoobs]

even your whole personality, your whole individual is made out of everything you have experienced throughout your life. Your environment. I also believe that most big things in life are mostly predetermined. I think most people become what they were meant to become... unless of course

[noam]

but is it not just that the majority fail to realise their potential?

pimp you're not making any sense.

i've repeated the same thing over and over in this thread.

reality is the product of emotional vibration

stewart saying the only free will we have is choice of perception and therefore vibration fits in with that just fine.

i said yes, reality is the product of everybody's emotional vibration, in this bucket we're just a drop, we can only influence things that much...

then

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

then what happens if 2 drops have opposite influences over the system?

Edit: i think i need to mention the most basic shit cause nothing is too basic here: does the observation that we are 7 billion identical holograms match anybody's observations, experience or logic?

in this case you'd simply have opposing forces would you not? thats pretty simple, basic science

the universe being reality and reality being a composite of billions of different conscious organisms' perceptions, as experienced by individual perceivers seems to be fairly consistent with what you're BOTH saying.

you're also guilty of taking the holographic thing to an absurdly literal stance also; the fractality argument concerns the behaviour of the most minute to the most large- systems found forming within systems. Replica's of replica's. Whatever the language used to decipher these systems (safe to say the language commonly used is math) if consistent patterns of behaviour turn up- reality is shown to fit perception. then the point is proved, that reality is intrinsically dictated by perception of it. this line of argument also covers a lot of ground in solving past dualist problems- new souls etc.

im not vouching for either position being represented here, though Alien Pimp hasn't done much to establish one himself for someone so intent on 'having a good debate'...

[alien pimp]

but is it not just that the majority fail to realise their potential?

pimp you're not making any sense.

i've repeated the same thing over and over in this thread.

reality is the product of emotional vibration

stewart saying the only free will we have is choice of perception and therefore vibration fits in with that just fine.

i said yes, reality is the product of everybody's emotional vibration, in this bucket we're just a drop, we can only influence things that much...

then

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

then what happens if 2 drops have opposite influences over the system?

Edit: i think i need to mention the most basic shit cause nothing is too basic here: does the observation that we are 7 billion identical holograms match anybody's observations, experience or logic?

in this case you'd simply have opposing forces would you not? thats pretty simple, basic science

the universe being reality and reality being a composite of billions of different conscious organisms' perceptions, as experienced by individual perceivers seems to be fairly consistent with what you're BOTH saying.

you're also guilty of taking the holographic thing to an absurdly literal stance also; the fractality argument concerns the behaviour of the most minute to the most large- systems found forming within systems. Replica's of replica's. Whatever the language used to decipher these systems (safe to say the language commonly used is math) if consistent patterns of behaviour turn up- reality is shown to fit perception. then the point is proved, that reality is intrinsically dictated by perception of it. this line of argument also covers a lot of ground in solving past dualist problems- new souls etc.

im not vouching for either position being represented here, though Alien Pimp hasn't done much to establish one himself for someone so intent on 'having a good debate'...

finally someone at least makes the effort
what did i add to the holographic thing that made it an absurdly literal stance? are you contradicting parson's claim that all parts are scaled replicas of the whole?
if you don't contradict him, and the whole is 1, how comes that one whole has 2 different scaled images and you have opposite forces?
if we accept there is an explanation for the difference within identity (ad absurdum) and parson says the parts influence equally the whole system every time, then the system should find itself in two opposite states the same time due to opposite influences at the same time

[noam]

BASTARD i just typed out an epic reply, maybe my cache has it...?

nope...

right:

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system. if we look at string theory it tells us that we exist as parts in a system which had a beginning (in theory) and will have an end. in our reality we live in 3dimensions plus our experience of the three dimensions so we actually exist as 3d characters in a 4d show.

if we then look at both the physics and philosophy of possibility there are avenues that lead to the conclusions that cross between these two fields, namely that what possibly exists exists necessarily. in reality. this conclusion backs up the string-theory account of multi-dimensions, whereby there are infinite many universes and then some. the bizarre thing about infinity is if you imagine it, you can always add one. and that is essentially this multi-dimensional account of reality based on an 11th dimension.

the key point here is that when we leave our known, recognisable dimensions and enter the dimension above, all possibility for our reality are then contained within the dimension above- despite the fact we do not experience it. being at the same time has no bearing on the possible outcomes since in theory all possible outcomes are contained within this single one.

again, im not vouching for either side, though if i were to lean it would be to the left...

[alien pimp]

you're fighting parson while addressing me, try to follow better and make up your mind

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system.

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

[noam]

you're fighting parson while addressing me, try to follow better and make up your mind

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system.

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

okay, i kind of made a different point to the one intended in the first place

however, the point is really all about the unity gained in this reality by reference to higher dimensions of existence. if the 11th dimension is the string which runs through us entirely then at our core we are united with all possible entities and thus all ACTUAL entities, even those that oppose us as fundamentally as 1 is not 2 and x is not y.

do you have anything to say on this? because regardless of what the other debate was about (i believe this still to be entirely relevant anyway) this is interesting. string theory and necessesitarianism seem to support the fractal argument

[alien pimp]

you're fighting parson while addressing me, try to follow better and make up your mind

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system.

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

okay, i kind of made a different point to the one intended in the first place

however, the point is really all about the unity gained in this reality by reference to higher dimensions of existence. if the 11th dimension is the string which runs through us entirely then at our core we are united with all possible entities and thus all ACTUAL entities, even those that oppose us as fundamentally as 1 is not 2 and x is not y.

do you have anything to say on this? because regardless of what the other debate was about (i believe this still to be entirely relevant anyway) this is interesting. string theory and necessesitarianism seem to support the fractal argument

admitting you jumped to fight before you learned to button your pants would actually show more character and balls than this semi-admittance, but anyway, that's a whole lot much better than any jest parson would answer with
the only point is you don't know who's saying what and why. i'm agreeing with you on many of the essential parts
am i still guilty of taking the hologram shit to the brothel or whatever you claimed?
what do you have to say to parson about his "holographic" perspective that we agreed is far fetched?
did i do enough "to establish myself for someone so intent on 'having a good debate'..." ?

as for the strings theory, as much as i get it is just another religion, as it's based on pure faith, and i haven't seen anyone i trust believing in that stuff, so i don't care

[noam]

you're fighting parson while addressing me, try to follow better and make up your mind

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system.

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

okay, i kind of made a different point to the one intended in the first place

however, the point is really all about the unity gained in this reality by reference to higher dimensions of existence. if the 11th dimension is the string which runs through us entirely then at our core we are united with all possible entities and thus all ACTUAL entities, even those that oppose us as fundamentally as 1 is not 2 and x is not y.

do you have anything to say on this? because regardless of what the other debate was about (i believe this still to be entirely relevant anyway) this is interesting. string theory and necessesitarianism seem to support the fractal argument

admitting you jumped to fight before you learned to button your pants would actually show more character and balls than this semi-admittance, but anyway, that's a whole lot much better than any jest parson would answer with
the only point is you don't know who's saying what and why. i'm agreeing with you on many of the essential parts
am i still guilty of taking the hologram shit to the brothel or whatever you claimed?
what do you have to say to parson about his "holographic" perspective that we agreed is far fetched?
did i do enough "to establish myself for someone so intent on 'having a good debate'..." ?

as for the strings theory, as much as i get it is just another religion, as it's based on pure faith, and i haven't seen anyone i trust believing in that stuff, so i don't care

well if you wana redirect my comments feel free mate, all i said was that was how i understand it/want to interpret it- if thats what you agree with too... sweet, job done

string theory as religion? philosophy is closer to the truth

personally i dont subscribe to a pure existentialism or a pure post-modernism,i think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, hence why i havent said for definite what i think about all of this.

[alien pimp]

you're fighting parson while addressing me, try to follow better and make up your mind

to take it to absurdly literal ends means to neglect what i think is the main point of the fractal holographic argument, not that we appear as direct replica's- more that we are PARTS of a holistic system.

lately it has become more and more apparent to cosmologists that the universe is a hologram. holograms are fractal in nature. you can slice off a piece of a hologram and every slice will contain the entire image. the nature of fractality is that every part contains the whole. every drop is the whole ocean.

okay, i kind of made a different point to the one intended in the first place

however, the point is really all about the unity gained in this reality by reference to higher dimensions of existence. if the 11th dimension is the string which runs through us entirely then at our core we are united with all possible entities and thus all ACTUAL entities, even those that oppose us as fundamentally as 1 is not 2 and x is not y.

do you have anything to say on this? because regardless of what the other debate was about (i believe this still to be entirely relevant anyway) this is interesting. string theory and necessesitarianism seem to support the fractal argument

admitting you jumped to fight before you learned to button your pants would actually show more character and balls than this semi-admittance, but anyway, that's a whole lot much better than any jest parson would answer with
the only point is you don't know who's saying what and why. i'm agreeing with you on many of the essential parts
am i still guilty of taking the hologram shit to the brothel or whatever you claimed?
what do you have to say to parson about his "holographic" perspective that we agreed is far fetched?
did i do enough "to establish myself for someone so intent on 'having a good debate'..." ?

as for the strings theory, as much as i get it is just another religion, as it's based on pure faith, and i haven't seen anyone i trust believing in that stuff, so i don't care

well if you wana redirect my comments feel free mate, all i said was that was how i understand it/want to interpret it- if thats what you agree with too... sweet, job done

string theory as religion? philosophy is closer to the truth

personally i dont subscribe to a pure existentialism or a pure post-modernism,i think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, hence why i havent said for definite what i think about all of this.

i thought you addressed ideas more than persons so i redirected your comments to the appropriate quote, if you prefer to ridiculously knock on open doors or whatever, it's your call, but then you should call off your comments about my role in the debate, because you don't seem in position to make any

also you didn't answer about how i've did don't know what to that holographic metaphor, is that another point you didn't make right?

i don't understand what you meant with that thing about string theory and philosophy

but honestly, it's sad to assist your attempts to prove you're still in the game and you know what you mean. admitting this is no game, just a play with ideas, and that you were just not paying attention to shit would be much more honorable

[2manynoobs]

why pimp are you always so rude when you try to prove that you're right? And I mean rude like a bitch, using nice words and all but the message is dirty.

[alien pimp]

why pimp are you always so rude when you try to prove that you're right? And I mean rude like a bitch, using nice words and all but the message is dirty.

my message is always the truth. so it's gotta happen because you bitches have issues with the truth.
pawawaaaa
say it isn't so and why

can you repeat my message and say what's dirty and why?
or can you quote, point exactly to my assumed fault and suggest a better version? .
can maybe you comment something valuable about the correctness of my statements?
i bet you can't, you'll comment something unrelated and get lost at some point, then come back in another thread with same useless interventions, and maybe we'll repeat the scheme on and on until you learn where it gets you every time
at least i can hope from you you won't start swearing or such... can i?

[wormcode]

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[noam]

why pimp are you always so rude when you try to prove that you're right? And I mean rude like a bitch, using nice words and all but the message is dirty.

hahah its alrite id gone to bed by that point, 4am is not time for this stuff!

and Alien Pimp, your role in the debate has so simply been pointing out faults other people have made, and then when called to make your own position clear, you've just ignored it...

stop being so bitter mate!

[2manynoobs]

i thought you addressed ideas more than persons so i redirected your comments to the appropriate quote, if you prefer to ridiculously knock on open doors or whatever, it's your call, but then you should call off your comments about my role in the debate, because you don't seem in position to make any

also you didn't answer about how i've did don't know what to that holographic metaphor, is that another point you didn't make right?

i don't understand what you meant with that thing about string theory and philosophy

but honestly, it's sad to assist your attempts to prove you're still in the game and you know what you mean. admitting this is no game, just a play with ideas, and that you were just not paying attention to shit would be much more honorable

that's bitchy mate

[alien pimp]

i thought you addressed ideas more than persons so i redirected your comments to the appropriate quote, if you prefer to ridiculously knock on open doors or whatever, it's your call, but then you should call off your comments about my role in the debate, because you don't seem in position to make any

also you didn't answer about how i've did don't know what to that holographic metaphor, is that another point you didn't make right?

i don't understand what you meant with that thing about string theory and philosophy

but honestly, it's sad to assist your attempts to prove you're still in the game and you know what you mean. admitting this is no game, just a play with ideas, and that you were just not paying attention to shit would be much more honorable

that's bitchy mate

that's 100% pure truth, and probably the best advice he ever got on snh, for his manhood and sense of responsibility at least! if you call that bitchy for me it means you're messed up in the head, therefore no matter what shit you say about me, i won't care, because i'll remember you're the dude who said those preposterous things earlier... as simple as that

feel free to apply the same scheme to me and see if it works the same when your subconscious realizes i'm correct but you try lying yourself otherwise

[lloydnoise]

man, you come across as SUCH A DICK

[alien pimp]

man, you come across as SUCH A DICK

actually that rarely happens when i deal with fairly intelligent and honest people, so i don't need to worry about it
i'm rather interested in your brain's functioning, ie all the members of the idiot dozen told me that or similar shit about a 100 times each, with no other effect but me telling you i enjoy being disliked by idiots. so i wonder what motivates you to keep doing it and for how long do you estimate that will happen?

[alien pimp]

why pimp are you always so rude when you try to prove that you're right? And I mean rude like a bitch, using nice words and all but the message is dirty.

hahah its alrite id gone to bed by that point, 4am is not time for this stuff!

and Alien Pimp, your role in the debate has so simply been pointing out faults other people have made, and then when called to make your own position clear, you've just ignored it...

stop being so bitter mate!

bruv, is there any other point in a debate than pointing faults in IDEAS and fixing them? by your performance the main point seems to be avoiding anything relevant and showing we can't take responsibility for a few dumb words on a board
cuz it's all about the ideas, i'm not like you, i don't care about you personally