Vaccine conspiracy theory - the real effects

[pkay]

it's far better to produce the anti bodies normally, that is just my personal preference
i've said in this thread anyway that i think the actual idea of vaccination is good, it's just all the shit that they put in with it that i've also posted

Unless you have an extremely long genetic inheritence from your Mother, you won't be able to produce the correct antibodies to fight diseases... that's what vaccination is for! You'll have an immune system, but it won't be able to do shit if it's exposed to a large dose of Polio. It's got to have the blueprints..!

Plenty of healthy people used to die of disease. They don't now. This is a good thing.

Read some history man... it's FULL of otherwise healthy people dying horribly. Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.

not to mention we're a few generations in to modern vaccination meaning genetically speaking our 'inheritence' is rather un-evolved and almost relying on vaccinations. The previous 2 generations to ours had limited exposure to polio making our generation less likely to naturally build those antibodies. Add to that we have less tolerable exposure to polio.

[pkay]

it's far better to produce the anti bodies normally, that is just my personal preference
i've said in this thread anyway that i think the actual idea of vaccination is good, it's just all the shit that they put in with it that i've also posted

Unless you have an extremely long genetic inheritence from your Mother, you won't be able to produce the correct antibodies to fight diseases... that's what vaccination is for! You'll have an immune system, but it won't be able to do shit if it's exposed to a large dose of Polio. It's got to have the blueprints..!

Plenty of healthy people used to die of disease. They don't now. This is a good thing.

Read some history man... it's FULL of otherwise healthy people dying horribly. Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.

yeah look at the state of sanitation back then, horrible

modern sanitation in the early 1900's didn't stop polio... it was still insanely widespread

[magma]

it's far better to produce the anti bodies normally, that is just my personal preference
i've said in this thread anyway that i think the actual idea of vaccination is good, it's just all the shit that they put in with it that i've also posted

Unless you have an extremely long genetic inheritence from your Mother, you won't be able to produce the correct antibodies to fight diseases... that's what vaccination is for! You'll have an immune system, but it won't be able to do shit if it's exposed to a large dose of Polio. It's got to have the blueprints..!

Plenty of healthy people used to die of disease. They don't now. This is a good thing.

Read some history man... it's FULL of otherwise healthy people dying horribly. Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.

yeah look at the state of sanitation back then, horrible

That definitely played a massive part. Killed Typhoid and all of those nasty things that used to live in the water, but it didn't do to much for Polio and Measles... vaccination deaded them amazingly effectively in this country... and you can prove it because the numbers happened exactly the same everywhere else when they introduced population-wide programmes.

[hackman]

i'm talking about christmas carol time period, and i wasn't talking about polio

[hackman]

Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.


magma said that
i'm saying that it's not because they didn't have vaccination back then there were crippled kids everywhere, but because of the filth they lived in

we are talking early mid 1800s not early 1900s pkay

[hackman]

i can't be bothered to talk about this anymore, sorry

[magma]

Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.


magma said that
i'm saying that it's not because they didn't have vaccination back then there were crippled kids everywhere, but because of the filth they lived in

we are talking early mid 1800s not early 1900s pkay

20th Century was when most vaccination programmes were introduced. Polio wasn't conquered until the second half. There were an awful lot more crippled children and adults back then.

[pkay]

Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? Crippled kids all over the country taken down by a childhood diseases. It was horrible... we're in a MUCH better place now.


magma said that
i'm saying that it's not because they didn't have vaccination back then there were crippled kids everywhere, but because of the filth they lived in

we are talking early mid 1800s not early 1900s pkay

Yeah my point was, even in evolved culture crippling diseases (barring typhoid) were not eliminated by advancement of sanitation. Pooping in a toilet and eating your vitamins doesn't rid a pandemic. It helps but far from rids. Small Pox, Polio, Mumps, etc did not see significant reduction until vaccination.

The whole natural antibodies shit is kinda balls in my opinion. Small Pox was first documented in 1200 BC. 3000 years and no natural exposure related antibodies developed isn't exactly reinforcing your argument.

[hackman]

@magma
nnnnnnnnng but you were saying Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? implying that if we stopped with vaccination, everything would regress to a dickension time period of disease and filth
which is ridiculous because i'm saying our sanitation and quality of living are much better now obviously, so it's impossible
course i know when vaccination was introduced


now i'm out

[magma]

@magma
nnnnnnnnng but you were saying Do you really want to see families like the one in A Christmas Carol? implying that if we stopped with vaccination, everything would regress to a dickension time period of disease and filth
which is ridiculous because i'm saying our sanitation and quality of living are much better now obviously, so it's impossible
course i know when vaccination was introduced

No, it was more a reference to their crippled child. Lots of families used to have crippled children, it was an accepted fact of life... "God's will". If you manage to survive Measles, Polio, Whooping Cough, Mumps or Smallpox with your life, chances are you'll be disabled for the rest of it.

Nowadays, it only tends to be those with genetic illnesses or who have sustained injuries. Lots less. Lots better.

[kay]

to reject the whole idea of vaccination is just as retarded as to accept all vaccination campaigns without discerning between hoaxes like the swine flu and the real deal. but when you are a drooling retarded you can only think in small twitts like "vaccines=good" or "vaccines=bad"

vaccines and medicine and medication were, are and will be used beyond their declared purpose on occasions, and their advertising is misleading and incomplete most of the times. that's true documented facts.

Slightly overlooked but I think that's AP's best post ever.

[pompende]

it's far better to produce the anti bodies normally, that is just my personal preference
i've said in this thread anyway that i think the actual idea of vaccination is good, it's just all the shit that they put in with it that i've also posted

oviously no one is going to change your mind.... fwiw tho:

basically, most of them contain either formaldehyde, aluminium, thimerosal, sodium hydroxide, all of which are known carcinogens/toxic to human health

formaldehyde exists in infants in significantly higher quantities than you will ever find in a vaccine.

breastmilk contains aluminum concentrations near the concentration of aluminum in a vaccine

thimerosal has been phased out of the common vaccinations in the west ... the result of public fears and despite any evidence that it could cause developmental delays...

[magma]

to reject the whole idea of vaccination is just as retarded as to accept all vaccination campaigns without discerning between hoaxes like the swine flu and the real deal. but when you are a drooling retarded you can only think in small twitts like "vaccines=good" or "vaccines=bad"

vaccines and medicine and medication were, are and will be used beyond their declared purpose on occasions, and their advertising is misleading and incomplete most of the times. that's true documented facts.

Slightly overlooked but I think that's AP's best post ever.

Definitely worthy of props.

[frank grimes jr.]

formaldehyde exists in infants in significantly higher quantities than you will ever find in a vaccine.
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I don't know where you've obtained this information, but I can tell you that formaldehyde does not concentrate in the (living) human body.

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

Haha yeah, maybe if you drink too much moonshine

This argument is silly anyway. Tobacco is far worse, and the majority voluntarily use it. Why focus on distractions

[pompende]

I don't know where you've obtained this information, but I can tell you that formaldehyde does not concentrate in the (living) human body.

no it does not concentrate. its pretty common in living animals tho... are you in med school or something? why you would be so confident on that without even bothering to do a google search?


http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccin ... 187810.htm

http://toxtown.nlm.nih.gov/text_version ... .php?id=14

http://www.wnho.net/methanol_disposition.htm

[alien pimp]

to reject the whole idea of vaccination is just as retarded as to accept all vaccination campaigns without discerning between hoaxes like the swine flu and the real deal. but when you are a drooling retarded you can only think in small twitts like "vaccines=good" or "vaccines=bad"

vaccines and medicine and medication were, are and will be used beyond their declared purpose on occasions, and their advertising is misleading and incomplete most of the times. that's true documented facts.

fuck me, i'm quoting you to agree!

in the western world it's a parent's choice whether to run the potential risks of either autism or other side effects vs the risks of catching a disease (with a good healthcare system as a back up if you do fall) - and depending on your viewpoint it could be irresponsible to risk either option. but in the developed world if you catch these diseases then it's very likely you will die

i hear in US there's a lot of pressure in schools for kids to take all sorts of horseshit, for i.e. ...

[pkay]

i hear in US there's a lot of pressure in schools for kids to take all sorts of horseshit, for i.e. ...

That is because generally speaking we have higher concentrated schools. We have high schools the size of your universities population wise. Therefor it is mandatory for some vaccinations.

There are some extremes where schools have tried to mandate HPV vaccines, which is ridiculous as it is an std

[wormcode]

i hear in US there's a lot of pressure in schools for kids to take all sorts of horseshit, for i.e. ...

That is because generally speaking we have higher concentrated schools. We have high schools the size of your universities population wise. Therefor it is mandatory for some vaccinations.

There are some extremes where schools have tried to mandate HPV vaccines, which is ridiculous as it is an std

They will advertise "no shots no school" or say they can't enroll without shots, but it's just a scare tactic. Obviously they can't force it, and all it takes is either an explanation from the parent or doctor including citing it against personal beliefs. My aunt doesn't get them for her kids (not because of "autism scares" or anything like that), and never had a prob. She just has to go through an extra hassle at the beginning of the school year, and obtain an immunization waiver (even the military will provide these). Each state will have a different way the parent must go about it, and it must be done in an official manner or the parent could face child negligence charges.

[pompende]

There are some extremes where schools have tried to mandate HPV vaccines, which is ridiculous as it is an std

still i think its great that young women have the option to get that vaccine in the company of their peers rather than having to seek it out for themselves. I mean i'm 25 and i just recently let a urethral infection go untreated for a week because I am still pretty damn uncomfortable talking to doctors about my sex life and genitalia...

They will advertise "no shots no school" or say they can't enroll without shots, but it's just a scare tactic. Obviously they can't force it, and all it takes is either an explanation from the parent or doctor including citing it against personal beliefs. My aunt doesn't get them for her kids (not because of "autism scares" or anything like that), and never had a prob. She just has to go through an extra hassle at the beginning of the school year, and obtain an immunization waiver (even the military will provide these). Each state will have a different way the parent must go about it, and it must be done in an official manner or the parent could face child negligence charges.

do you have any idea how this goes for universities? I really hate getting shots personally so I was pretty upset about having to get the meningitis vaccine before I went to university.
Might be a bit unreasonable in some senses but for a school that requires on-campus housing for first years I think it might be more unreasonable not to require a meningitis vaccine?