St. Patricks Day

[slothrop]

So this whole thread has been about the building of a motorway?

I think its a bit moronic and vulgar to think you represent anyones opinion other than your own misinformed one.

All that dumb slogan is putting stupid ideas into people's heads who read it at face value.

Yeah, if you don't support Irish unification then banners with "26+6=1" on them are a good thing to steer clear of.

[drlego]

the guy thinks Republican struggles and ecological protests are all the same.

[esfandyar]

i have repeated many times that this is an analogy discussing a many ideas within this action.

All that dumb slogan is putting stupid ideas into people's heads who read it at face value.

you guys took the "england out of ireland" part of the banner way too far as the sole message. it was part of us tying a many different ideas together, this was much more a action to bring notice of what was happening here in arizona. that being said i can understand someone seeing that message and reacting to it seeing it as sectarian. it was not our intention. that was the purpose of handing out hundreds of fliers to the audience. its funny though to think about it because sectarian tensions does not exist here in arizona. colonialism is a reality.

The BRITISH have no responsibility to the construction of the motorway in Tara Valley. Read it. Say it aloud. Again and again until it gets into that thick skull of yours. Colonialism has literally nothing to do with that particular issue, why is that so hard to understand? If the Irish Government want to erode their own culture/landmarks, that's up to them, but Britain has absolutely no say on the issue.

i actually never said thats what happened. the british didnt create the motorway over the valley of tara, correct. also yes, the irish government are ruining sacred land. here, amongst the indigenous, some o'odham whom own land in some sick colonial game are pro highway over south mountain. we just choose to not organize with them. i was just defending the position that britain still has power over north ireland because of all of everyone's comments were saying that they didnt. the irish have struggled over sacred sites like the o'odham here. we tried to bridge that message and present it to a bunch of white irish people. the focus on this action was not to talk about the british and the irish. but rather to provide examples to irish americans of why its important to bring the struggles once shared by irish HERE to phoenix to make the dominant white irish population here question or at least second guess their racist views on migrants and their views on the o'odham. if my message confused any of you before then thats what the take home message is, and i apologize.

[LACE]

I think it's so misguided that most people regard Scandinavians to this particular Viking culture. Most Scandinavians back in history were just that..Scandinavians. Vikings were just bands of men who were doing things on their own accord. But for some reason, these groups of independents have defined Scandinavian heritage, culture and ethnicity..while most men were basically farmers.

[drlego]

I think it's so misguided that most people regard Scandinavians to this particular Viking culture. Most Scandinavians back in history were just that..Scandinavians. Vikings were just bands of men who were doing things on their own accord. But for some reason, these groups of independents have defined Scandinavian heritage, culture and ethnicity..while most men were basically farmers.

No way man. Apologise to me and mine.

[64hz]

also, they were civilised traders with a deep, artistic culture, were advanced in terms of exploration and contact with other parts of the world, and they were technological pioneers. skillful, enterprising and . . . .violent. badass all round.

[.onelove.]

VIKIIINGS OUT OF ENGLAND, NOOOOOOOOOW!

[.onelove.]

i have repeated many times that this is an analogy discussing a many ideas within this action.

All that dumb slogan is putting stupid ideas into people's heads who read it at face value.

you guys took the "england out of ireland" part of the banner way too far as the sole message. it was part of us tying a many different ideas together, this was much more a action to bring notice of what was happening here in arizona. that being said i can understand someone seeing that message and reacting to it seeing it as sectarian. it was not our intention. that was the purpose of handing out hundreds of fliers to the audience. its funny though to think about it because sectarian tensions does not exist here in arizona. colonialism is a reality.

The BRITISH have no responsibility to the construction of the motorway in Tara Valley. Read it. Say it aloud. Again and again until it gets into that thick skull of yours. Colonialism has literally nothing to do with that particular issue, why is that so hard to understand? If the Irish Government want to erode their own culture/landmarks, that's up to them, but Britain has absolutely no say on the issue.

i actually never said thats what happened. the british didnt create the motorway over the valley of tara, correct. also yes, the irish government are ruining sacred land. here, amongst the indigenous, some o'odham whom own land in some sick colonial game are pro highway over south mountain. we just choose to not organize with them. i was just defending the position that britain still has power over north ireland because of all of everyone's comments were saying that they didnt. the irish have struggled over sacred sites like the o'odham here. we tried to bridge that message and present it to a bunch of white irish people. the focus on this action was not to talk about the british and the irish. but rather to provide examples to irish americans of why its important to bring the struggles once shared by irish HERE to phoenix to make the dominant white irish population here question or at least second guess their racist views on migrants and their views on the o'odham. if my message confused any of you before then thats what the take home message is, and i apologize.

OK I think I've got a slight jist of your intentions now. Basically there's a threat to the indigenous people's site in Phoenix, and you were trying to appeal to the majority by relating the issue to the prejudice the Irish experienced from the British once upon a time? I can vaguely understand the logic behind this, it's just the manner you've portrayed it that's insulting.

The tara valley motorway is still entirely irrelevant as it has absolutely relation to this o'odham problem. It's not an outside governance that's given the go ahead, but rather the Irish people represented by the Irish Government. It'd only be similar if the indigenous people of Phoenix were destroying their own site/heritage (whatever the problem is, I've not read up on it).

Still, it strays into a clear mark of disrespect and ignorance once the use of "England Out of Ireland" and "26 + 6 = 1". All that is pure ugly patriotism, and essentially calling for the opposite of what you're trying to convey. It's basically justifying IRA actions, disrespecting Northern Irish culture and heritage by claiming they don't deserve to be a country of their own. If you don't understand that then you have really poor knowledge of the situation of there, and are better off leaving it out of any political agenda of your own.

[esfandyar]

there is a freeway being attempted to be built here over a sacred site called south mountain. the situation is similar like the one that was built over tara. as i said previously, there are even some o'odham who support this freeway being built, like there are some irish who want the freeway to be built. but again there are some who do not want it there in both places of the world. we are siding with these individuals. we are making a connection here.

the way you are taking the message "england out of ireland" and the 26 +6 =1 is, like mentioned many times before, not to imply that we want to uproot ireland's people, or cause some sort of patriotic message like i said before. it cites that the english occupation is and was WRONG. and i stated before, me or my comrades do not support the IRA.

like the english occupation over ireland, the o'odham's land was taken by the english and spanish settlers long long ago, and today from what sacred land they have left, these people are continuing to take their land and use it for whatever purpose suits them best, like building a freeway. does that make sense?

[Mr Hyde]

there is a freeway being attempted to be built here over a sacred site called south mountain. the situation is similar like the one that was built over tara. as i said previously, there are even some o'odham who support this freeway being built, like there are some irish who want the freeway to be built. but again there are some who do not want it there in both places of the world. we are siding with these individuals. we are making a connection here.

the way you are taking the message "england out of ireland" and the 26 +6 =1 is, like mentioned many times before, not to imply that we want to uproot ireland's people, or cause some sort of patriotic message like i said before. it cites that the english occupation is and was WRONG. and i stated before, me or my comrades do not support the IRA.

like the english occupation over ireland, the o'odham's land was taken by the english and spanish settlers long long ago, and today from what sacred land they have left, these people are continuing to take their land and use it for whatever purpose suits them best, like building a freeway. does that make sense?

There isn't much point saying anything to you because you clearly can't see what people are saying, whatever you now say you meant by 'england out of ireland' 26+6=1 is not the message that it actually puts across with that slogan,what you say there is offensive and you need to see that rather than keep arguing the deeper meaning which it doesn't portray. Also, you need to undsertand the difference between england and britain.

And your last point- it was again the fault of english and spanish and 'there people' continuing to take others land...somehow there were no irish settlers that had anything to do with that?

You sound pretty racist towards english to me.

[LACE]

also, they were civilised traders with a deep, artistic culture, were advanced in terms of exploration and contact with other parts of the world, and they were technological pioneers. skillful, enterprising and . . . .violent. badass all round.

I'm not doubting that they were skillfull traders..or that they had a deep artistic culture..what I'm trying to illustrate is the fact that there is a misconception that Vikings were the majority of Scandinavian people..while they weren't. They were independents. You just like to negate everything I say lol.

@DrLego
I refuse to apologize to you, as I live in Iceland, and I have for many years. I speak fluent Icelandic, have an Icelandic mate, I can read Viking saga's. Can you? I know about Scandinavian culture, this isn't coming out of my ass. Just read about it.

[fatadub]

Extra Cold Guinnness?

GTFO OF IRELAND!

theres only one way to drink it, and it aint extra cold

[drlego]

also, they were civilised traders with a deep, artistic culture, were advanced in terms of exploration and contact with other parts of the world, and they were technological pioneers. skillful, enterprising and . . . .violent. badass all round.

I'm not doubting that they were skillfull traders..or that they had a deep artistic culture..what I'm trying to illustrate is the fact that there is a misconception that Vikings were the majority of Scandinavian people..while they weren't. They were independents. You just like to negate everything I say lol.

@DrLego
I refuse to apologize to you, as I live in Iceland, and I have for many years. I speak fluent Icelandic, have an Icelandic mate, I can read Viking saga's. Can you? I know about Scandinavian culture, this isn't coming out of my ass. Just read about it.

I think you need to get a comedy bypass too.

Context people.

[64hz]

also, they were civilised traders with a deep, artistic culture, were advanced in terms of exploration and contact with other parts of the world, and they were technological pioneers. skillful, enterprising and . . . .violent. badass all round.

I'm not doubting that they were skillfull traders..or that they had a deep artistic culture..what I'm trying to illustrate is the fact that there is a misconception that Vikings were the majority of Scandinavian people..while they weren't. They were independents. You just like to negate everything I say lol.

no way, i was agreeing with you as well as adding on a lil bit of my own! you completey misunderstood me
do i really negate everything you say? ooops. . .

[64hz]

There isn't much point saying anything to you because you clearly can't see what people are saying, whatever you now say you meant by 'england out of ireland' 26+6=1 is not the message that it actually puts across with that slogan,what you say there is offensive and you need to see that rather than keep arguing the deeper meaning which it doesn't portray. Also, you need to undsertand the difference between england and britain.

And your last point- it was again the fault of english and spanish and 'there people' continuing to take others land...somehow there were no irish settlers that had anything to do with that?

You sound pretty racist towards english to me.

aye hes just pissed off that when we owned the world, it actually worked

[LACE]

aha comedy bypass. Well I know you were joking, wasn't yelling at anyone. Just giving a thorough response. =D

[clifford_-]

he does get english and british confuse quite alot....

[firky]

Splendid car crash of a thread