where can i get a mp3 of anti war dub?

[grievous_angel]

I followed that Harvard study at length[...] You can't apply that harvard study to our scene in any way because Dance Music Vinyl 12" sales aren't tabulated by Soundscan or any formal Electronic Database. As far as I know, there isn't any study that has proven anything for or against the impact of filesharing in underground UK music.

Correct. Hence my emphasis of "mainstream". I am drawing on knowledge gained from involvement with an independent record label as well as consulting work with large media firms.

What you can say without hesitation, is that NO one with the exception of maybe Tempa has made significant profits in this scene.

Yes -- and I doubt Tempa has made that much money.

[dubway]

lol... steal from majors all you want.

stealing is stealing.

[kion]

I'd rather go to the park and take a dogshit out of a turdbin.

than d/l dodgy mp3s

For a start you don't know what you're getting, and secondly it actually takes a lot more time and effort than people realise, than just pulling for the credit card or going to the record shop. Ain't as fun either!

[mrjiggyfly]

lol... steal from majors all you want.

stealing is stealing.

The mans abit confused on where he stands ,NO??????

[auralassassin]

lol... steal from majors all you want.

stealing is stealing.

The mans abit confused on where he stands ,NO??????

I'm not confused at all... I feel the need to defend underground producers, and I don't care about major labels... you are still a thief regardless. I personally steal from noone.

I just don't care as much if you steal from the rich. They got that way by stealing. THAT is karma.

[spaceboy]

lol... steal from majors all you want.

stealing is stealing.

The mans abit confused on where he stands ,NO??????

I'm not confused at all... I feel the need to defend underground producers, and I don't care about major labels... you are still a thief regardless. I personally steal from noone.

I just don't care as much if you steal from the rich. They got that way by stealing. THAT is karma.

wallow in your mediocrity come on man that is one naive statement if i've ever heard one, you've just blown any of your argument...

[kenneth sulu]

...And one more time 'cause some people like making up new definitions for common words.

source: http://dictionary.reference.com/

Number one

steal Audio pronunciation of "stealing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.

1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
4. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
5. Baseball. To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stealing


Number two

cop·y Audio pronunciation of "copying" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kp)
n. pl. cop·ies

1. An imitation or reproduction of an original; a duplicate: a copy of a painting; made two copies of the letter.
2. One specimen or example of a printed text or picture: an autographed copy of a novel.
3. Material, such as a manuscript, that is to be set in type.
4. The words to be printed or spoken in an advertisement.
5. Suitable source material for journalism: Celebrities make good copy.


v. cop·ied, cop·y·ing, cop·ies
v. tr.

1. To make a reproduction or copy of.
2. To follow as a model or pattern; imitate. See Synonyms at imitate.


v. intr.

1. To make a copy or copies.
2. To admit of being copied: colored ink that does not copy well.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=copying

auralassaissin, I'm not saying that you are an ass, I'm just pointing out that using the correct words, especially on the internet, is a very, VERY good idea. We don't know each other, there is no body language involved, no facial expressions, no history. The best way to communicate is to use words that have preset definitions that most people have agreed upon. IT IS NOT STEALING!. I will agree with you on a lot of points regarding this issue, but please stop calling it stealing. Call it bootlegging (which has been used for ages), illegal copying, piracy or anything else that makes sense... Otherwise this whole discussion thing ends up being people ranting as if they were talking to their best friends after a heavy drinking session (politics, religion & philosophyrant incl.), i. e. noone understands anything and can't remember shit the next day.

The reason I rant so hard about this issue is that I am sick and tired of big multinationals & other industryfigures (Dre & Lars Ulrich?!?!?!) trying to twist our definitions of reality to their liking. Copying a file from one computer to the other is not the same thing as stealing a purse. The person who lost the purse, lost a physical thing. It's gone. The person whose file got copied, didn't lose anything, except for MAYBE, a POTENTIAL buyer. The file is still on their computer. On the other hand, they might have gotten some free publicity. That's right, free promotion.

Again, auralassassin, I'm mostly using you as a springboard for voicing my opinion on this issue, so please forgive me. It's just by using the word "stealing", you are playing right along to the tones of the majors, which you apparently don't like.

When I was a kid we all shared tapes. Those of us who actually got in to the music, bought the records as soon as we had the money. The same thing is happening now. The problem is that certain people in the music business started taking advantage of their position, and started feeding us stupendous amounts of shit. This is what is being rebelled against at the moment, and it is quite obvious that the labels who have some sense about their releases, are surviving. If you run a label and you're just trying to cash in, you might be able to for some time, but thanks to modern masscommunication, your bluff is gonna be called real quick. Quality control at label headquarters has been overruled for a long time, in favor of pure greed. Give the people what they want, not what you think they want.





....Jesus! ...Time for another spliff...

[auralassassin]

To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.

so it's stealing, then.

[kenneth sulu]

To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.

so it's stealing, then.

Upload a file to yousendit.com. Send it to someone who gives a shit. Check if the file is still on your computer. Learn English. Read a dictionary.

[auralassassin]

dude... whatever you need to do to sleep at night, man...

you're not changing my mind, I'm not changing yours.. fucking drop it.

Ask the artists if you are stealing from their pockets... they'll say yes... they are the ones making tunes for you to hear--do whatever you want.

[auralassassin]

Oh yes... and it's illegal to copy a page from a magazine, or to copy something that isn't held in copyright by YOU--which is infringement.

still illegal.

fuck it. pirate whatever you want, you shady bastards

[kenneth sulu]

dude... whatever you need to do to sleep at night, man...

you're not changing my mind, I'm not changing yours.. fucking drop it.

Ask the artists if you are stealing from their pockets... they'll say yes... they are the ones making tunes for you to hear--do whatever you want.

Like I said before, I've never been big into filesharing. I'm mostly into vinyl but I'm slowly getting into mp3's. CD's were a bit of a con as far as I'm concerned. Bleep.com is magnificent! They completely acknowledge piracy but just ask you to do the decent thing! Full songs to listen to, high quality files, no copyprotection, low prices. No annoying bullshit that makes you feel like a criminal for wanting to burn a copy for your carstereo.
BTW,I know plenty of artists who adapted doublequick to the new standards and who encourage people to spread their music through filesharing. Some of them are amongst the highest paid in the Danish electronic music scene. For them, it's free promotion. Yes, they make money and don't whine.
Mixes are standard in electronic genres, and live bootlegs in rock circles.
Piracy can't be changed, but the music biz can.

[seckle]

If you think the net is just a bunch of 1's and 0's flying around for you to grab at your leisure, then that's your perogative. Of course, to you it's only going to be copying.

If you're inclined to believe that the net is a place to promote, market and sell products, then obviously filesharing is going to be stealing. 138 countries of the world have agreed on the latter, rather than the former.
http://www.wipo.int/members/en/

This isn't an argument about semantics. It's about perspectives and belief systems. It's about supporting creativity, not taking it for granted.

[kenneth sulu]

Oh yes... and it's illegal to copy a page from a magazine, or to copy something that isn't held in copyright by YOU--which is infringement.

still illegal.

fuck it. pirate whatever you want, you shady bastards

YES! It's illegal, but it's not stealing.

Whatever... from what i've read in the other threads, you seem like a pretty cool guy. let's agree to disagree on this one.

[auralassassin]

YES! It's illegal, but it's not stealing.

Whatever... from what i've read in the other threads, you seem like a pretty cool guy. let's agree to disagree on this one.

So you are disagreeing based upon the word I am using to describe it?

How about these:

Dirty bitches, scumbags, leeches, pirates

all describe those who take what isn't theirs, copy it, share something...

I don't come to peoples houses, help myself to their CD's and hand them out. It is intellectual property, and it's wrong--no matter what kind of happy face you want to put on it...

essentially, we're arguing whether or not to call women "birds" or "bitches" or "women"

whatever you call them, they are women--no matter what word you use to describe them--likewise with intellectual property theft...

morallity has no name, it just IS--and it is inherant.

[dept of hell science]

....Jesus! ...Time for another spliff...

you're getting irie with JC ???

I'm so jealous...

...bet he's got the mean buds too

see if he can walk across the ocean to NZ and...

...HOOKAH ****** !!!

[kenneth sulu]

If you think the net is just a bunch of 1's and 0's flying around for you to grab at your leisure, then that's your perogative. Of course, to you it's only going to be copying.

If you're inclined to believe that the net is a place to promote, market and sell products, then obviously filesharing is going to be stealing. 138 countries of the world have agreed on the latter, rather than the former.
http://www.wipo.int/members/en/

This isn't an argument about semantics. It's about perspectives and belief systems. It's about supporting creativity, not taking it for granted.

Saw you lurking earlier...was waiting for your move...

In my case, this is a case of semantics. Use the right words in their accepted meaning to get your point across.
F.ex. At the moment, the word "terorrism" is being tossed about in the media in a VERY careless manner. This sort of thing degrades the meaning of words, with the end result being us not being able to communicate properly.
I don't know if the links I posted earlier, correspond with the Oxford English Dictionary, but as far as I remember, they 're pretty much the same thing.
It is not stealing, not in ANY traditional meaning of the word. This also means that you shouldn't deal with it as traditional stealing. You MIGHT want to do this with the person who sell their bootlegs & mixtapes on Brick Lane Market, or the person who stole/copied the very first Star Wars III copy. You can't apply those same rules to some kid who downloaded Kazaa and suddenly gets a 10.000£ fine. It's wrong.

In the end, it's up to the labels. Make products that people want to buy, be they virtual or real. It's a market.

[seckle]

If you think the net is just a bunch of 1's and 0's flying around for you to grab at your leisure, then that's your perogative. Of course, to you it's only going to be copying.

If you're inclined to believe that the net is a place to promote, market and sell products, then obviously filesharing is going to be stealing. 138 countries of the world have agreed on the latter, rather than the former.
http://www.wipo.int/members/en/

This isn't an argument about semantics. It's about perspectives and belief systems. It's about supporting creativity, not taking it for granted.

Saw you lurking earlier...was waiting for your move...

In my case, this is a case of semantics. Use the right words in their accepted meaning to get your point across.
F.ex. At the moment, the word "terorrism" is being tossed about in the media in a VERY careless manner. This sort of thing degrades the meaning of words, with the end result being us not being able to communicate properly.
I don't know if the links I posted earlier, correspond with the Oxford English Dictionary, but as far as I remember, they 're pretty much the same thing.
It is not stealing, not in ANY traditional meaning of the word. This also means that you shouldn't deal with it as traditional stealing. You MIGHT want to do this with the person who sell their bootlegs & mixtapes on Brick Lane Market, or the person who stole/copied the very first Star Wars III copy. You can't apply those same rules to some kid who downloaded Kazaa and suddenly gets a 10.000£ fine. It's wrong.

In the end, it's up to the labels. Make products that people want to buy, be they virtual or real. It's a market.

So, what you're saying in a nutshell is that the dictionary is only valid when it suits you. Cool man. Let's agree to disagree.

[kenneth sulu]

If you think the net is just a bunch of 1's and 0's flying around for you to grab at your leisure, then that's your perogative. Of course, to you it's only going to be copying.

If you're inclined to believe that the net is a place to promote, market and sell products, then obviously filesharing is going to be stealing. 138 countries of the world have agreed on the latter, rather than the former.
http://www.wipo.int/members/en/

This isn't an argument about semantics. It's about perspectives and belief systems. It's about supporting creativity, not taking it for granted.

Saw you lurking earlier...was waiting for your move...

In my case, this is a case of semantics. Use the right words in their accepted meaning to get your point across.
F.ex. At the moment, the word "terorrism" is being tossed about in the media in a VERY careless manner. This sort of thing degrades the meaning of words, with the end result being us not being able to communicate properly.
I don't know if the links I posted earlier, correspond with the Oxford English Dictionary, but as far as I remember, they 're pretty much the same thing.
It is not stealing, not in ANY traditional meaning of the word. This also means that you shouldn't deal with it as traditional stealing. You MIGHT want to do this with the person who sell their bootlegs & mixtapes on Brick Lane Market, or the person who stole/copied the very first Star Wars III copy. You can't apply those same rules to some kid who downloaded Kazaa and suddenly gets a 10.000£ fine. It's wrong.

In the end, it's up to the labels. Make products that people want to buy, be they virtual or real. It's a market.

So, what you're saying in a nutshell is that the dictionary is only valid when it suits you. Cool man. Let's agree to disagree.

Thanks for letting me have my rant!

[jim beats]

If I knew someone was pirating some software, I wouldn't support them. Period. Or how can they rightly complain when someone pirates their tracks?

But dubstep wouldn't exist without pirate sotfware, like all music that comes from the underground. You gonna boycott all of dubstep? You're kidding yourself if you think a small fraction of the bigger dubstep producers actually bought the software they use.... I'm not in favour of piracy, but like they said, it's just not that simple...