its about reusing samples of samples after theyve been modified into something different
ppl in this thread need to quit putting words into each other's mouths & just read what they wrote
but the point is being made that in essence there is no difference between the two. You have just decided to draw up some arbritrary line or threshold that once crossed makes the sampling-method, in your eyes, "not fair".
I just don't see this line and therefore I can't agree.
hutyluty wrote:just that I personally wouldn't find it cool to go and sample something someone's already sampled straight up or at least not in the exact same way, its just cunty.
again though, how many times has that been sampled and no one cares (according to whosampedit its been at least 123 times)? a dope sample is a dope sample, it doesn't have to be original.
same with good times by chic, that is the least original form of sampling ever but it all gets us grooving. and thats the point
yeah im not on about reusing samples, its sampling someone who has sampled it originally to create something new. i mean like i said i dont think its wrong per se i just think its the mark of an unoriginal producer who needs to rip off someone elses idea rather than go sample something himself in a unique way
So how is it worse to sample a sample than sampling an original track? 'Cause I'm pretty sure whoever made the orignal Changes chant used their voice "originally to create something new".
hugh wrote:so do you think using a straight sample is bad? Because there is no way you can legitimately justify one action then deplore the other
nah i totes can. Sampling something original is an artform IMO, especially if its cutting up a small section of vocals, adding effects/ pitching up and down, basically creating a new vibe/ piece of music. Someone then comes along and copies this- btw adding nothing new and keeping exactly the same vibe- its just shit and lazy.
me and rayman are coming more from hip hop backgrounds i think, so all you whitebread mayonaise eating kids who decided to start making dubstep in 2010 wont get it. you all come from a place where everyone uses the vengeance sample packs for drums, and sampling dark and mysterious dialogue from movies off youtube is like your version of crate digging. you just wont get it.
constrobuz wrote:me and rayman are coming more from hip hop backgrounds i think, so all you whitebread mayonaise eating kids who decided to start making dubstep in 2010 wont get it. you all come from a place where everyone uses the vengeance sample packs for drums, and sampling dark and mysterious dialogue from movies off youtube is like your version of crate digging. you just wont get it.
imami wrote:i put secret donks in all my tunes, just low enough so you can't hear them
hugh wrote:so do you think using a straight sample is bad? Because there is no way you can legitimately justify one action then deplore the other
nah i totes can. Sampling something original is an artform IMO, especially if its cutting up a small section of vocals, adding effects/ pitching up and down, basically creating a new vibe/ piece of music. Someone then comes along and copies this- btw adding nothing new and keeping exactly the same vibe- its just shit and lazy.
well then consider this - most hip hop, especially late 90s early 00's used a lot of straight sampling of instrumentals. No modifications, just a sample of a nice instrumental break used in accordance with their own beat/bass
Does this make all those produced songs "badly produced" simply because the producers didn't think they needed to add 5 layers of different kinds of reverb, chorus and a noise modulator effect over every sample?
Personally, I don't think so.
constrobuz wrote:me and rayman are coming more from hip hop backgrounds i think, so all you whitebread mayonaise eating kids who decided to start making dubstep in 2010 wont get it. you all come from a place where everyone uses the vengeance sample packs for drums, and sampling dark and mysterious dialogue from movies off youtube is like your version of crate digging. you just wont get it.
i (and im sure others too) have been into hip hop since you were still in your daddys nutsack. doubt that has nything to do wit it brah
plus you know, since this is a white label and tbh not the most popular dubstep style, wouldn't sampling this be the fucking epitome of cratedigging? fuck outta here son
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Genevieve wrote:I came from hip-hop and I think that rayman is wrong.
but you're not a producer(?).
kidshuffle wrote:
constrobuz wrote:me and rayman are coming more from hip hop backgrounds i think, so all you whitebread mayonaise eating kids who decided to start making dubstep in 2010 wont get it. you all come from a place where everyone uses the vengeance sample packs for drums, and sampling dark and mysterious dialogue from movies off youtube is like your version of crate digging. you just wont get it.
i (and im sure others too) have been into hip hop since you were still in your daddys nutsack. doubt that has nything to do wit it brah
youre canadian what the fuck do you know? go listen to maestro fresh wes.
hugh wrote:so do you think using a straight sample is bad? Because there is no way you can legitimately justify one action then deplore the other
nah i totes can. Sampling something original is an artform IMO, especially if its cutting up a small section of vocals, adding effects/ pitching up and down, basically creating a new vibe/ piece of music. Someone then comes along and copies this- btw adding nothing new and keeping exactly the same vibe- its just shit and lazy.
well then consider this - most hip hop, especially late 90s early 00's used a lot of straight sampling of instrumentals. No modifications, just a sample of a nice instrumental break used in accordance with their own beat/bass
Does this make all those produced songs "badly produced" simply because the producers didn't think they needed to add 5 layers of different kinds of reverb, chorus and a noise modulator effect over every sample?
Personally, I don't think so.
