I have a bit of an issue with the fact that i fucking love Dr Dre's music, but disagree so strongly with some of the shit him, Cube, Snoop etc chat.
While the music, the flow, and actually some of the lyrics appeal to me, i have to take it in small doses, because I get pissed off with the ignorance regarding women.
I'd really like to believe Dre when he says he is just chatting shit about women and doesn't believe it, and snoop when he says he isn't a misogynist, but even so, i know people who think like that, and they are still contributing to the problem.
Whether a lot of it knows it or not, Hip Hop is one of the most political forms of music, and i'm not a fan of conservatism of any kind.
That said, i fucking love Africa by Toto, not ashamed, but still wouldn't go shouting it from the rooftops. Also some of the latin music i listen to is fucking cheesy, and i do have to draw for the headphones in a lot of cases
random songs u like but aren't sure if u should like really
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I like hippy music like Dave Mathews and Phish and Ska-Punk like Less Than Jake and Reel Big Fish and Skankin Pickle... I dont really have any guilty pleasure type music anymore. I used to care about all that, but got over it. If anything, its dubstep. I get fucked up looks from my co-workers when I play it so I have to save it for the days when hardly anyone is here or my manager leaves. Most of the time Im listening to a mish-mash of all the music I grew up on filtered through www.pandora.com - my quickmix list is as follows...
El-P
The Pharcyde
ATCQ
Atmosphere
Refused
Rancid
The Killers
Soul Coughing
Van Halen
Ben Folds Five
Tom Petty
Primus
Rocket from the Crypt
Talking Heads
Beck
NIN
KMFDM
Ten Foot Pole
Operation Ivy
Weezer
Steely Dan
311
Guns'n'Roses
Pixies
Ween
System of a Down
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Dr. Dre
Greatful Dead
Phish
Ramones
Dave Mathew's Band
Less Than Jake
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Bob Marley
Sublime
NOFX
Foo Fighters
Eminem
Man, I wish I could have gotten in that debate while the fire was still hot... you were all right to differing degrees. I personally think there are more influences involved that advertising and artist's profits invloved in the decline of pop music. Lack of education and the overall decline of our countries school systems being a big one. Music courses getting cut from school budgets at far to early of a rate. If these kids were a bit more educated about music (not even that much really just a learning an instrument for a year) it would help them to understand melody, texture and dynamics, which would help them see that a lot of 'pop' music is disposable. Disposable isnt necesarily bad, but its also posible to have 'pop' music with a bit more meaning than 'My Humps'.
One thing that I always have to try to remember in discussions like this is that I am most of the time surrounded by people hwo have more than just a passing interest in music. This forum for example. I think its fair to say that we all LOVE music. It is much more than just background noise or something we put on to 'have something on', but for some people thats all it is. Those people hear a catchy melody once in a while and go buy the CD. They are force fed whats on the radio because they dont have enough intrest to dig just a bit deeper and see whats out there. 20, shit even 10 years ago radio DJ's still had a bit more choice in what was being played and could help the average casual listener find that album that may have sparked that intrest in music that would have allowed them to find that thing about music that we all take as fact because we have felt it for so long. There is a lot of music that I would be ashamed to admit that I like because it feeds the major labels and their control of the airwaves and product pushing, takeing the power and the influence from the DJs and forcing them to play from a stale group of proven artists. That is wrong. Pop radio still has a large influence on peoples tastes, maybe even more so now because it is so ubiquitous and almost subconsious. The current state of the music industry shows that this is not good for anyone. Thankfully, I feel it is correcting itself right now a bit.
Man, this is a topic I like to go on about... not just because of the effect that pop musics pervasivness has on the buying public, but also the effects that making music as product has had on our perceptions of what sounds 'good' and 'bad' from both a technical and personal taste standpoint...
but yeah, I like a lot of pop music from the 90's
El-P
The Pharcyde
ATCQ
Atmosphere
Refused
Rancid
The Killers
Soul Coughing
Van Halen
Ben Folds Five
Tom Petty
Primus
Rocket from the Crypt
Talking Heads
Beck
NIN
KMFDM
Ten Foot Pole
Operation Ivy
Weezer
Steely Dan
311
Guns'n'Roses
Pixies
Ween
System of a Down
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Dr. Dre
Greatful Dead
Phish
Ramones
Dave Mathew's Band
Less Than Jake
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Bob Marley
Sublime
NOFX
Foo Fighters
Eminem
Man, I wish I could have gotten in that debate while the fire was still hot... you were all right to differing degrees. I personally think there are more influences involved that advertising and artist's profits invloved in the decline of pop music. Lack of education and the overall decline of our countries school systems being a big one. Music courses getting cut from school budgets at far to early of a rate. If these kids were a bit more educated about music (not even that much really just a learning an instrument for a year) it would help them to understand melody, texture and dynamics, which would help them see that a lot of 'pop' music is disposable. Disposable isnt necesarily bad, but its also posible to have 'pop' music with a bit more meaning than 'My Humps'.
One thing that I always have to try to remember in discussions like this is that I am most of the time surrounded by people hwo have more than just a passing interest in music. This forum for example. I think its fair to say that we all LOVE music. It is much more than just background noise or something we put on to 'have something on', but for some people thats all it is. Those people hear a catchy melody once in a while and go buy the CD. They are force fed whats on the radio because they dont have enough intrest to dig just a bit deeper and see whats out there. 20, shit even 10 years ago radio DJ's still had a bit more choice in what was being played and could help the average casual listener find that album that may have sparked that intrest in music that would have allowed them to find that thing about music that we all take as fact because we have felt it for so long. There is a lot of music that I would be ashamed to admit that I like because it feeds the major labels and their control of the airwaves and product pushing, takeing the power and the influence from the DJs and forcing them to play from a stale group of proven artists. That is wrong. Pop radio still has a large influence on peoples tastes, maybe even more so now because it is so ubiquitous and almost subconsious. The current state of the music industry shows that this is not good for anyone. Thankfully, I feel it is correcting itself right now a bit.
Man, this is a topic I like to go on about... not just because of the effect that pop musics pervasivness has on the buying public, but also the effects that making music as product has had on our perceptions of what sounds 'good' and 'bad' from both a technical and personal taste standpoint...
but yeah, I like a lot of pop music from the 90's
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