How to stop Djs from playing illegal Mp3s in the club ?

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:55 am

D-Code wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
D-Code wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:Besides a lot of the top labels don't even sell mp3s in which case they obviously don't even care about filesharing.
this may well be the most ridiculous quote i have ever seen

and this thread has seemed to turn into a vinyl vs mp3 battle. thats not the issue. the issue is someone downloading dubs illegally and playing them out without the producers permission - i think this is bang out of order.
Fair enough that you think i'm wrong, i just can't imagine DMZ or anybody else complaining about people downloading their released music when its only for sale on vinyl. If they wanna keep their releases vinyl only, which is a perfectly respectable thing to do, they have to accept people are going to want mp3's in which case they have no other choice but to use P2P, torrents etc....if they cared they'd offer an alternative imo. Whats your opinion D Code?
i agree with this and thats why these 'big labels' should have the option of mp3 purchases; even if it goes against the ethics of the scene, at the end of the day it is in their interest. why they haven't done so is anyones guess.

Yup.

My guess is that they don't really mind and probably make a fair bit of money off vinyl sales and DJing. Just a guess though..its a real shame DMZ stopped updating their page on bleep.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:29 am

D-Code wrote:
i agree with this and thats why these 'big labels' should have the option of mp3 purchases; even if it goes against the ethics of the scene, at the end of the day it is in their interest. why they haven't done so is anyones guess.

if the "ethics of the scene" are to restrict their tunes only to djs and to build a closed loop system that keeps access to the music insular and limited...well, someone needs to address the myopia of those ethics, IMO.

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:47 am

Antoher big problem can be all hatered that people using soulssek mp3's have for people who use records, here in Bulgaria all is really bad, u know. All the scene is based on cd - j 100 and if u buy records everybody hate you, cause they cannot do that, which for me is totally dum, it all end up beeing in nice and expensive clothes from trademarks and shoes. Well if u skip that part with buying those u can buy records, everybody find his way, also cd and what u like , so it is kind of respect to musicians, but no, it is all about bad quality mp3 and a lot of shitiing to everyone with your own made track for one night and fuckd up quality shared or whatever, i'm noit against , i'm mostly about respect , it i not i shit on u all cause i leech mp3 's for "free", and fuck u all, it is so dum!!!

and also mr. Sio 2 , i'm kind of following your point, with ass kicking, especially if the mp3 dj is acting like Brtiney

dj mate · Post by **dj mate** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:02 am

BunZer0 wrote:
selrahc wrote: but why on earth would an illegal mp3 neccessarily sound shit? surely if the person who's sharing it decided to rip it at 320, or as FLAC, it'd be fine?
come on
playing a tune u didn't pay for or u didn't get directly from a producer is LAME
a dj should always be supporting the producers he is reppin !
That means for them more sales and they can work easier to make some amazing tracks !
That's the one and only way !!!!

same thoughts hate those " i dont pay for tunes i just download them for free wannabe djs"

brighterday · Post by **brighterday** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:58 am

sapphic_beats wrote:
if the "ethics of the scene" are to restrict their tunes only to djs and to build a closed loop system that keeps access to the music insular and limited...well, someone needs to address the myopia of those ethics, IMO.

Well put.

primate · Post by **primate** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:02 am

mods, lock this.

p2p argument = done.

von · Post by **von** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:55 am

lol @ these age old debates there.

allow it.

dj phonetic · Post by **dj phonetic** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:17 am

didnt read the whole thing but one thing is shure..

i hate it when people use illegal mp3s but i must say i dont see it that often

another thing i dont like is when djs burn all their tracks in 140 and then just mix without touching the pitch, but thats something nothing to do with this thread

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:50 am

dj phonetic wrote:another thing i dont like is when djs burn all their tracks in 140 and then just mix without touching the pitch

rev · Post by **rev** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:38 pm

I can understand the frustration people feel, when they are not able to get the track they really want. A lot of younger music lovers are schooled on, that 'you can get whatever music you like on the net - nothing is sacred'.

Except when it comes to dubplates. You can't get your hands on a Coki' Soundboy file or "MZN vs. DMZ" in high quality. And that has frustrated me as well, but I am willing to accept that fact. That is how and why lower qualities of ripping evolves. I have made a low quality rip of some of the dubplates for personal use (not having to find it in a mix, or click in on the myspace), but I would never burn that on a cd to play out. In fact I often wait to play a track out, until I get it cutted, even though I have the file.

I think the (radio?)dj's needs to put an effort into teaching listeners dubplate culture, so people will accept that there is some music you aren't able to get your hands on. Dubplate culture is like a road back to the healthy promo days in the 90's, where only a few dj's had the exclusives a few months before the release.

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:41 pm

primate wrote:mods, lock this.

p2p argument = done.

This isnt about p2p. you obviously havnt read the thread.

This is about djs bringing crap, illegal mp3s to the club. Its about Dj & club owner/ promoter ethics. Its about the frustration of having to deal w/ people being ignorant and/ or dishonest.

I'd also like to say this : Just because i complain of some djs from new orleans playing stolen mp3s doesnt mean everyone here does it. I ran the risk of making all djs from here look bad. I didnt consider this when i made this thread. Maybe this just means there should be some organisation and solidarity among those of us who are doing the right thing. like i said i dont know what to do about it and it was worrying me for a long time.

von · Post by **von** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:49 pm

Sio2 wrote:This is about djs bringing crap, illegal mp3s to the club.

Wud they still be crap if they were legal?

Tbh just seems like a state of mind thing.

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:34 pm

Von wrote:
Sio2 wrote:This is about djs bringing crap, illegal mp3s to the club.
Wud they still be crap if they were legal?

Tbh just seems like a state of mind thing.

yeah, of course its a "state-of-mind thing" To answer your question imo any compressed file is gonna suck compared to vinyl.

primate · Post by **primate** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:27 pm

Sio2 wrote:
primate wrote:mods, lock this.

p2p argument = done.
This isnt about p2p. you obviously havnt read the thread.

This is about djs bringing crap, illegal mp3s to the club. Its about Dj & club owner/ promoter ethics. Its about the frustration of having to deal w/ people being ignorant and/ or dishonest.

I'd also like to say this : Just because i complain of some djs from new orleans playing stolen mp3s doesnt mean everyone here does it. I ran the risk of making all djs from here look bad. I didnt consider this when i made this thread. Maybe this just means there should be some organisation and solidarity among those of us who are doing the right thing. like i said i dont know what to do about it and it was worrying me for a long time.

yeah, i haven't read it cos it's long and boring.

why can't dj's play what ever they like. it's like sampling a movie quote or tv soundtrack to chuck in a mix. just cos it's a sound, why does it have to be "owned". move on. plus, most sound systems are shit anyway - mp3's or not. just dance and have fun.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:46 pm

I think a big part of the problem here is that people who buy vinyl regularly think they have more of a right to be booked for nights than those who don't. Ridiculous really.

It also surprises me that money is being brought into the argument, the only DJs/acts who get paid anything substantial at our nights are the ones who are gonna bring the people in.

alan_ · Post by **alan_** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:24 pm

I personally have absolutely no problem with people playing mp3's on serato in a club. the only time I have an issue is if people are playing unreleased tracks that they didn't get from the artist.

here in texas we have a ton of people all making tracks and passing them around among folks they know. it's a very local scene, and it just keeps getting more vibrant. if people only played vinyl around here, many great homegrown tunes would never get heard in clubs. I play a lot of digital tunes these days, and many of them will never get released on vinyl.

the thing I've never understood is why someone would want to go to a gig with low-bitrate ill-gotten mp3's of already popular tunes when they could simply load up their hard drive with legitimate free tunes that nobody's ever heard from artists who are putting 320's out there for free to get their name out there. or hell, maybe even plop down a li'l cash and BUY the freakin things. why play what everybody else has already made popular?

just because I like playing digital these days doesn't mean I don't get my tracks through legitimate avenues. Annd, I still play quite a bit of vinyl too.

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:45 pm

ikonika wrote:wouldn't it be really funny if someone started playing illegal tunes (ripped from myspace or leaked) in front of the producer that made it.

what would u do?

someone the other day ripped a tune from my myspace (an unreleased one, which i had made into a 2 minute clip with added skips etc), then sent me a link to their radio show in which they played it asking me to check out the show!

a lot of the time i don't think there is bad intentions behind this..they just want to spread the music they like which is fair enough. but yeh some people do seem to have slightly different conception of what is 'ok'

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:52 pm

All DJ's are welcome to watermark their tunes with our infamous GetDarker audio clip.

PM for details.

metaphi · Post by **metaphi** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:40 pm

I use a Laptop to play out, but i only play my own sounds or a re-edit of someone else's tune. I think that DJs who use cd decks and laptops should only play out there own productions or fresh tunes they have permission to play from the producer, big up Spam Chop on that one, mixes my tunes better than i can haha.

von · Post by **von** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:56 pm

Ashley wrote:All DJ's are welcome to watermark their tunes with our infamous GetDarker audio clip.

PM for details.

lmao...

........"GETDARKER

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