do you want the truth

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:13 pm

Slim wrote:I haven't been able to find any of the research gariaev has allegedly done with DNA, none of it appears to have been published.

actually.. i searched out the actual report and posted the link somewhere on this forum.. the first time this study was brought into scrutiny among people from this forum.

you want to see the "alleged" publication, you'll find it in dubstepforum.

special_k · Post by **special_k** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:00 am

Parson wrote:yep.

depends on what state of mind you're in. most people can tune it out. some people have a harder time.

when you become aware of it though, you can have more power over it.

like sometimes i go to a club and all i want to do is dance, but i can't get the room out of my head and just focus on the music and let go. i think this is what happens when other people are having the same problem. everybody is interested in everybody else in the room and not letting go.

when a party is *really* good, nobody is overly concerned with each other, and more stoked on the fact that they are all focused on the music/dj. it becomes easier to engage in the flow.

that's when there's a good vibe. that's when the magic of a good dance party happens.

yeah but i don't think telepathy is really a grounded explanation of such experiences , theres so much peripheral (but tangible) information about our environment that we process subconsciously. If people's body language in a space is suggesting that they are observing more than participating then people are bound to feel distracted by the feeling of being observed and thats even at a conscious level. The feeling of being observed addresses peoples insecurities and social anxiety arises. That aspect of it is completely an internal conversation, in my mind anyway.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 am

telepathy is perfectly grounded.

for one, the CIA paper i posted in this thread is real, and if you don't believe that, consider the Global Consciousness Project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvJfkI5NVc

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

i realize it is quite an adjustment of paradigm
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/keit ... magic.html

it is not just telepathy. telekinsis, remote viewing, all that stuff is very real.
check out uri gellar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Gellar

Geller's performances of drawing duplication and cutlery bending usually take place under informal conditions such as television interviews. During his early career he did allow some scientists to investigate his claims. Geller points to a study by Stanford Research Institute (now known as SRI International) researchers Harold E. Puthoff and Russell Targ which concluded that he had clearly performed successfully enough to warrant further serious study, and the "Geller-effect", was coined to refer to the particular type of abilities they felt had been demonstrated.[41] Both scientists now concede to skeptics that the effect might have been the result of a skilled conjurer at work, though they still consider this to be very unlikely.

slim · Post by **slim** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:59 am

guerillaeye wrote:
Slim wrote:I haven't been able to find any of the research gariaev has allegedly done with DNA, none of it appears to have been published.

actually.. i searched out the actual report and posted the link somewhere on this forum.. the first time this study was brought into scrutiny among people from this forum.

you want to see the "alleged" publication, you'll find it in dubstepforum.

I will try to find it, searching fo Gariaev hasn't worked, but i'll have a look

Although it isn't on PubMed which would surprise me if this was a professionally conducted piece of research, the findings seem fantastical and i'm sure any genuine scientist would jump at the chance to have such revolutionary work critically appraised by fellow academics.

As for Uri Gellar, he is fairly certainly a fraud, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaJWLeSmEc

Remote viewing would be extremely easy to test, according to James Randi it has been tested under properly controlled circumstances and found to be ineffective, but i haven't been able to find any of the literature associated with that.

As a scientist i will freely admit that you are under no obligation to believe that, as i can't produce the research disproving it, but something to consider is that Randi has offered a million dollars to anyone who can empirically prove the existence of paranormal phenomena, if that had been done with remote viewing i'm sure that would have qualified for the money.

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:20 am

special_K wrote: That aspect of it is completely an internal conversation, in my mind anyway.

Then how do you explain syncronicity...

..and I mean exceptional syncronicity..give me some credit in so far as understanding the difference between coincidence/observable clues...and unmistakable revelations.

I am also not trying to argue..I am just sure that you have experienced some remarkable syncronicities in your life..

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:48 am

Slim wrote: As for Uri Gellar, he is fairly certainly a fraud, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaJWLeSmEc

Stanford scientists who studied him coined the term "the gellar effect". i'm certain there is no shortage of people attempting to debunk him. however, the number of scientists who have studied him is a much smaller number. and those scientists are credible, and concluded that the guy has powers.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:59 am

I have "comforting fantasies"" myself
events that suggest precognition and telepathy
but my survival instincts kick in;
reality needs to be agreed or shared
to be other than one person's possibly deluded perception.
Hence sometimes I am inclined to try to persuade others
into my view so that I can be reassured that it is reality..

But still, with considerable biochemical adventuring
having had undeniable impacts upon my psyche...
if others don't come to appreciate my beliefs over time,
after discourse and proper listening,
then I am inclined to reject those beliefs as not based in reality.

To me, this is reasonable and a healthy adjustment.
Pragmatically, it keeps me in communication with my loved ones
rather than alienated by a need to be right or certain.
And, if there is such a thing as free will,
then it is by choice.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:11 am

slim · Post by **slim** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:24 am

Parson wrote:
Slim wrote: As for Uri Gellar, he is fairly certainly a fraud, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaJWLeSmEc
Stanford scientists who studied him coined the term "the gellar effect". i'm certain there is no shortage of people attempting to debunk him. however, the number of scientists who have studied him is a much smaller number. and those scientists are credible, and concluded that the guy has powers.

I don't trust scientists i trust evidence.

If you can show me the evidence that led them to these conclusions with the methodology behind them clearly and comprehensively detailed, that would mean a lot more.

Also if these tests have been performed, why has James Randi not given out his million dollars (not to say i have implicit trust in him, but it would require an explaination from him why not if there was convincing evidence)

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:30 am

how about the global consciousness project. they've got plenty of evidence.
look into it.

slim · Post by **slim** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:33 am

Upon a bit of investigation i found that the stanford article in Nature came with a disclaimer stating that the study didn't meet the standard of good scientific research that the journal normally adheres to.

It seems that Geller tends to refuse to peform using his "abilities" when all possibility of trickery is removed, not the actions of a credible man.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:43 am

i like how you stick to attacking the easy to attack stuff rather than looking into the indisputable stuff like GCP.

it all supports each other.

we live in a holographic universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I

it is created every moment by consciousness.
http://www.amazon.com/Holographic-Unive ... 079&sr=8-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPX981C546Q

ufos are controlled by thoughts
http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

this is all supported by concepts brought up in quantum physics, such as the classic double slit experiment, and entanglement.
space and time are illusions.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:07 am

Parson wrote:i like how you stick to attacking the easy to attack stuff rather than looking into the indisputable stuff like GCP.

Be fair Parson. Slim's trying to address the issues you raise but he can't deal with the constant flood of new issues yu keep throwing up. How 'bout one thing at a time or you'll appear to be throwing up dust to divert from thorough analysis.
Just saying.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:20 am

i'm painting a picture. not offering points to argue against.

i have repeated a number of times that i am not trying to argue.

if you don't like the teacher, don't take the course.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:30 am

Alright, but, please Sir, one picture at a time or I won't understand how to do me homework.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:46 am

if you haven't gone through page one fully, you shouldn't be on page 11 yet

special_k · Post by **special_k** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:46 pm

bright maroon wrote:
special_K wrote: That aspect of it is completely an internal conversation, in my mind anyway.
Then how do you explain syncronicity...

..and I mean exceptional syncronicity..give me some credit in so far as understanding the difference between coincidence/observable clues...and unmistakable revelations.

I am also not trying to argue..I am just sure that you have experienced some remarkable syncronicities in your life..

I don't really, but I don't think incredible coincidence needs to be ruled out, its very human to try and attach meaning to everything that we experience, especially when giving something meaning allows us to make some sense of it. I'm not saying that I definitely don't think think there is anything paranormal about synchronicity, just very reluctant to commit to that angle in light of other more legitimate alternatives.

It seems that the majority of the people who claim to have various kinds of supernatural ability tend to employ them for entertainment purposes, cashing in on peoples awe. If they really could do what they claim to then you have to question their motivations for becoming entertainers instead of something more productive, surely these people would rather attain a status higher than the equivalent of a modern day freak show.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:56 pm

ok parson I watched the whole thing..

It's certainly impressive that he keeps so much in his head at one time...

there are so so many holes & inconsistencies in what he's saying I don't really know where to begin tbh...

so there are reptilians living underground and i believe he said 31,272 children have been kidnapped by Andromedans on earth and fed to them to keep them underground...HOW THE FUCK WOULD 31,000 BE ENOUGH TO FEED THEM?

He says they picked the US a lot and mentions the separation of workers & royalty as being something they are trying to achieve and there is evidence of this.....pretty much every other country has royalty EXCEPT for the U.S..

I suspect maybe 1% of what he says is true...I agree with him on a few points certainly...

But the ideal of a utopia varies from person to person so that in itself does not work....we are where we are because of fighting each other...this has helped us advance in other areas and indeed is the reason he can spread his message over the internet...as it was invented for war like everything else...

The thing is I really want to believe in 'crackpot' theories as there is clearly something hidden & sinister but this guy doesn't know what it is any more than I do...The catharsis one can experience when they've convinced themselves they are onto something that hardly anyone else knows is very powerful & I believe this is generally the main driving force within someone like Alex...you can't beat sitting reading and thinking to yourself you are on a higher level than all the rest...I suspect vanity plays a part far more than actual hard evidence...

He also and this is the main giveaway for me refuses to answer some questions and appears to be rather agitated....I don't know about you Chris but I can defend & qualify my statements & world view to the hilt and not since I was a little kid have I said 'I don't want to talk about this'...I can happily answer any question thrown my way unless it is loaded & pregnant with the desire to upset me....but even then I can usually rationally answer the question.......this guy however clearly wants to avoid talking about himself sering as he refused to talk about his background.....that for me is the thing that most damaged his credibility but despite all that thanks for posting it as it was interesting & like I said I'm sure he touched on some truth....

I just wish there was somebody balanced & not totally out there so I could take them a bit more seriously....a lot of what he says is pretty half baked as well....talk of motherships etc

I'd rather read a philip K dick short story in truth

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:52 pm

I like how special k wrote think twice there....because that's where the echo concept kicks in.

I definitely don't think think there is anything paranormal about synchronicity

..bright maroon looks at her watch...

stanton · Post by **stanton** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:00 pm

I read an interesting article t'other day about the universe being a phase boundary, I'll see if I can find it for you Parson.

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