The Dungeon Sound

[Widowmaker]

Forthcoming Wheel & Deal

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[Reese_Liar]

Dark Tunnel vibes on this wan

Soundcloud

This one

[Intended Malice]

Soundcloud

New sounds from Compa.

Compa - "Sentence" / "Beginning" now forthcoming, 12" on BOKA records!

Fucking hell, Sentence is the one. Big up, Compa!

[TooMuch]

Right everyone. Who listened or even better downloaded and still has the Distance b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b special?

Tune (played by V.I.V.E.K) @ around 27mins 22 seconds. Has a saxaphone in it.

Anyone name this tune & artist?

Cheers

[Reese_Liar]

V.I.V.E.K - Sirens

[TooMuch]

I already have this tune *facepalm*. Thought i recognised it..

[Reese_Liar]

Better than spending hours on end first ID'ing then attempting to track it down to buy

[ORIENTIS RECORDS]

Ezz, new bit from myself Thelem and Killawatt. Taken from Yunx's show just gone on the minimal tribal tip

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[mIrReN]

Better bring those with u to Belgium

[Trashbat]

alright people, erm, so my 1st release is out monday, thought id try n raise a little awareness lol

http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/do ... ease/14902

been getting a lot of quality feedback on a few of these, i think collectively they've pretty much all been posted up in this thread somewhere or another
so yeah, HUGE thanks to everyone feeling these and to anyone who DL's on monday


p.s. still no ID on that track i posted up from the distance b2b2b2betc...?

[Be-1ne]

Don't you think that with people saying that this style is the essence of the original dubstep sound, that more people should be putting their tunes out on vinyl and bringing more awareness to this style and supporting it?

Just seem's a little odd that people refer to this as more of a purist sound but don't take the extra step when putting tunes out?

just a thought, discuss.

[TooMuch]

Don't you think that with people saying that this style is the essence of the original dubstep sound, that more people should be putting their tunes out on vinyl and bringing more awareness to this style and supporting it?

Just seem's a little odd that people refer to this as more of a purist sound but don't take the extra step when putting tunes out?

just a thought, discuss.

Just because its referred to as the 'roots' doesnt mean it has to be published on vinyl.

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

Yes thats how it used to be done before digital and the age of the CDJ and thus made it something more special when a new producer entered the scene but its just not practical at this current point in time.

[garethom]

Don't you think that with people saying that this style is the essence of the original dubstep sound, that more people should be putting their tunes out on vinyl and bringing more awareness to this style and supporting it?

Just seem's a little odd that people refer to this as more of a purist sound but don't take the extra step when putting tunes out?

just a thought, discuss.

Just because its referred to as the 'roots' doesnt mean it has to be published on vinyl.

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

Yes thats how it used to be done before digital and the age of the CDJ and thus made it something more special when a new producer entered the scene but its just not practical at this current point in time.

Some obvious points raised, and I get your point about practicality. Comes down to a lack of cutting houses, costs of cutting dubs, etc., but I can't help but think that might've been caused by the rise of CDJs. People stop cutting, cutting houses start closing down, remaining cutting houses capitalise on this/have to put up their price to cover lower demand. Complex issues.

[Be-1ne]

Don't you think that with people saying that this style is the essence of the original dubstep sound, that more people should be putting their tunes out on vinyl and bringing more awareness to this style and supporting it?

Just seem's a little odd that people refer to this as more of a purist sound but don't take the extra step when putting tunes out?

just a thought, discuss.

Just because its referred to as the 'roots' doesnt mean it has to be published on vinyl.

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

Yes thats how it used to be done before digital and the age of the CDJ and thus made it something more special when a new producer entered the scene but its just not practical at this current point in time.

Just because its referred to as the 'roots' doesnt mean it has to be published on vinyl.

Doesn't that kind of defeat the point of calling it roots then?

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Yes thats how it used to be done before digital and the age of the CDJ and thus made it something more special when a new producer entered the scene but its just not practical at this current point in time.

I don't understand what you mean by this? nothing has changed? Vinyl sales are up, the plants are as busy as ever and access to buying records is easier than ever before.

hmmm interesting.

[Be-1ne]

Some obvious points raised, and I get your point about practicality. Comes down to a lack of cutting houses, costs of cutting dubs, etc., but I can't help but think that might've been caused by the rise of CDJs. People stop cutting, cutting houses start closing down, remaining cutting houses capitalise on this/have to put up their price to cover lower demand. Complex issues.

The cost of cutting dubs, pressing records and the like have not really changed in price for many years, and with the advent of the internet it is easier than ever to get them cut, you dont even have to go and get them, send files and they come in the post perhaps with the advent of the CD-J people have a lower expectation than before so make do with potentially sub-standard music / entertainment?

And if you do use one of the many places that cut dubs and master records for vinyl release you usually have to wait at least a week to get a spot. bit like going the doctors LOL. I've had to book up a month in advance before to get a session they are so busy.

[garethom]

Some obvious points raised, and I get your point about practicality. Comes down to a lack of cutting houses, costs of cutting dubs, etc., but I can't help but think that might've been caused by the rise of CDJs. People stop cutting, cutting houses start closing down, remaining cutting houses capitalise on this/have to put up their price to cover lower demand. Complex issues.

The cost of cutting dubs, pressing records and the like have not really changed in price for many years, and with the advent of the internet it is easier than ever to get them cut, you dont even have to go and get them, send files and they come in the post perhaps with the advent of the CD-J people have a lower expectation than before so make do with potentially sub-standard music / entertainment?

And if you do use one of the many places that cut dubs and master records for vinyl release you usually have to wait at least a week to get a spot. bit like going the doctors LOL. I've had to book up a month in advance before to get a session they are so busy.

I agree with you man. I was just trying to make the point that CDJ's haven't sprung up because vinyl is so hard to get hold of/get tracks cut to. CDJs have thrived because they're easy and if you want to mix a track, you can do it now, fast, which as you mention, is not always a good thing. I'm thinking of getting some dubs cut, and trust me, at £30 a pop, I'm stressing over what's good enough. If I had CDJs, I'd be burning shit left, right and centre.

[TooMuch]

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Well it is.

If you look at Chase & Status when they first began back at Manchester University. They spent little money they had on cutting a dubplate in which they gave to Youngsta to listen to. He liked and said something on the lines of "get me a copy and ill play this at fabric tonight". They had little choice but to give away a their only dubplate they owned to him in hope he would play it and it would be big. Therefore a pretty big risk for an unknown producer.

Now if you put it in todays era. Simply a CD costs you little to nothing to create and give out. Less risk

[ultraspatial]

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Well it is.

If you look at Chase & Status when they first began back at Manchester University. They spent little money they had on cutting a dubplate in which they gave to Youngsta to listen to. He liked and said something on the lines of "get me a copy and ill play this at fabric tonight". They had little choice but to give away a their only dubplate they owned to him in hope he would play it and it would be big. Therefore a pretty big risk for an unknown producer.

Now if you put it in todays era. Simply a CD costs you little to nothing to create and give out. Less risk

Plus, I doubt most of the audience gives a fuck if it's vinyl or digital if the music's good.

[Be-1ne]

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Plus, I doubt most of the audience gives a fuck if it's vinyl or digital if the music's good.

But my original point was, if this is a style people are referring to as "roots" sounding, then your not talking about or to most of the audience. Your talking to and about a core fanbase of people who love this sound. Most people who are into something serious are usually quiet fanatical about it, so why not push it further with more vinyl releases in the vein of the roots of dubstep?

[TooMuch]

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Well it is.

If you look at Chase & Status when they first began back at Manchester University. They spent little money they had on cutting a dubplate in which they gave to Youngsta to listen to. He liked and said something on the lines of "get me a copy and ill play this at fabric tonight". They had little choice but to give away a their only dubplate they owned to him in hope he would play it and it would be big. Therefore a pretty big risk for an unknown producer.

Now if you put it in todays era. Simply a CD costs you little to nothing to create and give out. Less risk

Plus, I doubt most of the audience gives a fuck if it's vinyl or digital if the music's good.

True. If your smashing the dance then who is really gonna give a fuck. It more of a personal feeling you get from what you mix on IMO. Yes if you think Vinyl is the be all and end all and you can mix you are extremely pleased with yourself. Similar you respect those who also spin vinyl.

I respect vinyl a lot but I dont knock CDJ's at the same time. Then theres those who use laptops with such programmes as Traktor and Serato in which some of the pioneers even use (Loefah & Plastician both swear by serato)

If anything to the average club goer who isnt really into the whole "which setup do you use" would probably just see those using Vinyl as more effort by bringing several acetate plates to the club.

Basically if you ask me.

Vinyl - More respected and at this current point are like collectors items (almost like pokemon cards haha) You have rares that are expensive and those that you can copp for less than £5. Obviously the best quality too.

CDs - Basically any track can be burnt and gives anyone who uses them more flexiblity in what tracks they use and bring to the stage. You can also fit more cds in you bag than vinyl.

Laptop - You can bring your whole library (at the cost of a laptop i guess) but you dont have to sit and think. Which tracks tonight?