The Dungeon Sound

[Be-1ne]

From the producers perspective CD's and digital mean they can create tracks and distribute them easily without having to spend arm and leg and lots of effort trying to get a dubplate press.

It's no different now to what it has always been? Surely the only time it is a monetary issue is when people are pushing out substandard music?

Well it is.

If you look at Chase & Status when they first began back at Manchester University. They spent little money they had on cutting a dubplate in which they gave to Youngsta to listen to. He liked and said something on the lines of "get me a copy and ill play this at fabric tonight". They had little choice but to give away a their only dubplate they owned to him in hope he would play it and it would be big. Therefore a pretty big risk for an unknown producer.

Now if you put it in todays era. Simply a CD costs you little to nothing to create and give out. Less risk

Im pretty sure most of the original core dubstep DJ's, for example. Distance, Youngsta, Cyrus and the like didnt rely on people giving them dubplates to play. It would be the same as now, people send tunes as files and they are then cut to plates if the DJ's think they are good enough. Its actually the same with CD's. If someone thinks its crap they wont play it.

Surely you'd rather be more certain about the quality of a tune you made through investment than see something you have put time and effort into as something so worthless as a cdr?

Plus id like to add. I never started some vinyl vs CD debate here. I just asked a simple question.

[ultraspatial]

Vinyl - More respected and at this current point are like collectors items (almost like pokemon cards haha) You have rares that are expensive and those that you can copp for less than £5. Obviously the best quality too.

CDs - Basically any track can be burnt and gives anyone who uses them more flexiblity in what tracks they use and bring to the stage. You can also fit more cds in you bag than vinyl.

Laptop - You can bring your whole library (at the cost of a laptop i guess) but you dont have to sit and think. Which tracks tonight?

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

[Be-1ne]

Vinyl - More respected and at this current point are like collectors items (almost like pokemon cards haha) You have rares that are expensive and those that you can copp for less than £5. Obviously the best quality too.

CDs - Basically any track can be burnt and gives anyone who uses them more flexiblity in what tracks they use and bring to the stage. You can also fit more cds in you bag than vinyl.

Laptop - You can bring your whole library (at the cost of a laptop i guess) but you dont have to sit and think. Which tracks tonight?

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

that kind of totally detracts from the original post i made. Don't get it twisted, i never started a vinyl vs cd debate

but on a side note. If your saying that vinyl sounds better and with limited runs more collectable, then surely it make more sense to push more music out this way for the hardcore fans?

Don't you sometimes hear tunes and think, I wish that had come on vinyl? My collection would be bulging with some of the great releases coming from some really talented artists.

[ultraspatial]

But my original point was, if this is a style people are referring to as "roots" sounding, then your not talking about or to most of the audience. Your talking to and about a core fanbase of people who love this sound. Most people who are into something serious are usually quiet fanatical about it, so why not push it further with more vinyl releases in the vein of the roots of dubstep?

Because things change. People ain't even buying cds anymore, everything's digital. And it's way more easy to cary a bag of cds than a bag of vinyls, and you can bring a whole lot more with you.
I agree, It's a whole different feeling/experience to mix vinyl, but it's more practical to bring cds/digital. That's probably at the core of things, the fact that it's much more easy.

[Be-1ne]

But my original point was, if this is a style people are referring to as "roots" sounding, then your not talking about or to most of the audience. Your talking to and about a core fanbase of people who love this sound. Most people who are into something serious are usually quiet fanatical about it, so why not push it further with more vinyl releases in the vein of the roots of dubstep?

Because things change. People ain't even buying cds anymore, everything's digital. And it's way more easy to cary a bag of cds than a bag of vinyls, and you can bring a whole lot more with you.
I agree, It's a whole different feeling/experience to mix vinyl, but it's more practical to bring cds/digital. That's probably at the core of things, the fact that it's much more easy.

but im not even talking about djing or mixing I'm simply talking about a hardcore of people who represent everything dubstep in its so called, purist form, but then don't release some really great tunes on vinyl. Surely this is counter productive to pushing the scene forward, bringing the sound back to the forefront and keeping some form of tradition?

just seems odd to me that you have a a thread on dubstep forum with people talking about vinyl and some great tunes, but they dont get released on vinyl? why doesnt everyone just chip in and collectively pay for the records? like a record club or something? then we'd have all these great tunes on a format we like.

[ultraspatial]

Vinyl - More respected and at this current point are like collectors items (almost like pokemon cards haha) You have rares that are expensive and those that you can copp for less than £5. Obviously the best quality too.

CDs - Basically any track can be burnt and gives anyone who uses them more flexiblity in what tracks they use and bring to the stage. You can also fit more cds in you bag than vinyl.

Laptop - You can bring your whole library (at the cost of a laptop i guess) but you dont have to sit and think. Which tracks tonight?

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

that kind of totally detracts from the original post i made. Don't get it twisted, i never started a vinyl vs cd debate

but on a side note. If your saying that vinyl sounds better and with limited runs more collectable, then surely it make more sense to push more music out this way for the hardcore fans?

Don't you sometimes hear tunes and think, I wish that had come on vinyl? My collection would be bulging with some of the great releases coming from some really talented artists.

No, not really tbh, I ain't much of a collector, I'd rather just get the digital.
Hardcore fans will probably get the vinyl anyway, and they are limited. Because it makes no sense to cut thousands of plates and sell only half or less. Even Appleblim stated that digital stores keep the labels going.

[ultraspatial]

Personally I don't see the connection between being a purist and the physical format of the music.

[Be-1ne]

Personally I don't see the connection between being a purist and the physical format of the music.

really?

Here is what the Cambridge dictionary defines as a purist.

Purist: "someone who believes in and follows very traditional rules or ideas in a subject"

so as the scene was traditional built on people playing dubplates and vinyl then by definition as a purist of dubstep you would be into dubplates a vinyl? by definition.

[garethom]

No, not really tbh, I ain't much of a collector, I'd rather just get the digital.
Hardcore fans will probably get the vinyl anyway, and they are limited. Because it makes no sense to cut thousands of plates and sell only half or less. Even Appleblim stated that digital stores keep the labels going.

Doubt any label gets thousands cut now man, a lot of labels may only cut 100/200, but it keeps that tradition alive. Be-1ne makes some good points. It's not always about ease or convenience, and as he said, it's not a vinyl vs CD debate. It's just about keeping a bit of tradition going, rather than just letting it slip by.

[ultraspatial]

No, not really tbh, I ain't much of a collector, I'd rather just get the digital.
Hardcore fans will probably get the vinyl anyway, and they are limited. Because it makes no sense to cut thousands of plates and sell only half or less. Even Appleblim stated that digital stores keep the labels going.

Doubt any label gets thousands cut now man, a lot of labels may only cut 100/200, but it keeps that tradition alive. Be-1ne makes some good points. It's not always about ease or convenience, and as he said, it's not a vinyl vs CD debate. It's just about keeping a bit of tradition going, rather than just letting it slip by.

I wasn't saying that they're cutting in those numbes
I get his point, was just trying to explain why people prefer digital or cd.

[charliefoy]

If the amazing oppourtunity arose for me to release music, i wouldnt go with a digital label.

[soulkids]

vinyl = quality control
for djs and for producers, one thinks twice spending 5-7 quids on a 12". sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

[Killawatt]

sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

my sets wud be shit with vinyl, wudnt have anything to play since i cant afford to buy it...

[ultraspatial]

vinyl = quality control
for djs and for producers, one thinks twice spending 5-7 quids on a 12". sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

How is vinyl quality control? And what's wrong with being able to play anything you want?

[garethom]

vinyl = quality control
for djs and for producers, one thinks twice spending 5-7 quids on a 12". sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

How is vinyl quality control? And what's wrong with being able to play anything you want?

It's quality control because you have to think a lot harder about what you want to play because there's a greater cost to you. As I mentioned earlier, I'm thinking of getting some dubs cut, and I've spent hours going through tracks deliberating over what I want, so I know that only the top, top stuff in my collection will be cut and thus available for me to play out. Maybe it's just me, but if the cost was a CD that probably cost less than 20p, I'd be banging everything I get sent on there, so less thought goes in. Sure, you can put the same thought in with CDs, but you're forced to when getting stuff cut.

You can play anything you want with vinyl. It was just stuff you REALLY wanted to.

[ultraspatial]

vinyl = quality control
for djs and for producers, one thinks twice spending 5-7 quids on a 12". sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

How is vinyl quality control? And what's wrong with being able to play anything you want?

It's quality control because you have to think a lot harder about what you want to play because there's a greater cost to you. As I mentioned earlier, I'm thinking of getting some dubs cut, and I've spent hours going through tracks deliberating over what I want, so I know that only the top, top stuff in my collection will be cut and thus available for me to play out. Maybe it's just me, but if the cost was a CD that probably cost less than 20p, I'd be banging everything I get sent on there, so less thought goes in. Sure, you can put the same thought in with CDs, but you're forced to when getting stuff cut.

You can play anything you want with vinyl. It was just stuff you REALLY wanted to.

Isn't that limiting yourself a bit?

[garethom]

vinyl = quality control
for djs and for producers, one thinks twice spending 5-7 quids on a 12". sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

How is vinyl quality control? And what's wrong with being able to play anything you want?

It's quality control because you have to think a lot harder about what you want to play because there's a greater cost to you. As I mentioned earlier, I'm thinking of getting some dubs cut, and I've spent hours going through tracks deliberating over what I want, so I know that only the top, top stuff in my collection will be cut and thus available for me to play out. Maybe it's just me, but if the cost was a CD that probably cost less than 20p, I'd be banging everything I get sent on there, so less thought goes in. Sure, you can put the same thought in with CDs, but you're forced to when getting stuff cut.

You can play anything you want with vinyl. It was just stuff you REALLY wanted to.

Isn't that limiting yourself a bit?

Maybe it's for the best sometimes.

[soulkids]

sets mostly get better when selected with vinyl, just because you don't 'have' and 'can play' everything.

my sets wud be shit with vinyl, wudnt have anything to play since i cant afford to buy it...

it's not any sort of a general rule, it's just what I experience a lot. djs of all kinds of genres tend to just play anything they find on the net which may fit into the categories 'nice' or 'new'.

I do believe when you're a producer you think twice getting something cut on acetate, it's expensive and probably also helps you being more critical with your own stuff and more careful on mixdowns.

I'm not suggesting if you don't have the cash for vinyl you should stop djing or producing lol

[ultraspatial]

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[luthor]

got a heads up to put this tune in this thread . . hope you enjoy . . . plenty of free tunes for download also. .

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