Anders Behring Breivik is sane and gets 21yrs

[Terpit]

There was a lot of media attention mate

[capo ultra]

i literally dont think anymore can be said about this

attempts should be made to rehabilitate

if they fail (which they probably will) then he will still be considered a danger to society and will de detained from another x number of years

but, as i previously stated, the attempt does have to be made, otherwise breivik has ultimately won

Not really, Breivik wasn't shooting people over laws on prison sentencing

Breivik wanted to politicse and stir up massive media attention with the court case, which didn't happen due to norway treating him like any other villain

that makes no sense. you're justifying a point of view that unless someone attempts to rehabilitate breivik sometime in the future, he will have won by saying that he already hasn't won because the courts locked him up with due process.

[Ricky_Spanish]

Crime and punishment in less than 100 years will probably become an outmoded concept. The reason he did what he did is down to genetic and environmental factors.

Punishment for crimes is only a valid concept if there is such a thing as 'Big-Ticket Free Will', which neuroscience and physics is telling us is an almost untenable concept even today.

So Ideally it should be crime and incarceration until rehabillitation.

But the guy is a wanker for sure.

[hugh]

Crime and punishment in less than 100 years will probably become an outmoded concept. The reason he did what he did is down to genetic and environmental factors.

Punishment for crimes is only a valid concept if there is such a thing as 'Big-Ticket Free Will', which neuroscience and physics is telling us is an almost untenable concept even today.

So Ideally it should be crime and incarceration until rehabillitation.

But the guy is a wanker for sure.

Well now you are touching on an entirely different and extremely complicated and under-researched field. Though it wouldn't surprise me if within our lifetimes we are able to isolate genes and remove upbringing that results in this behaviour. Implementation and forcing it upon the populace is extremely controversial though.

http://www.ted.com/talks/juan_enriquez_ ... ecies.html

[hugh]

i literally dont think anymore can be said about this

attempts should be made to rehabilitate

if they fail (which they probably will) then he will still be considered a danger to society and will de detained from another x number of years

but, as i previously stated, the attempt does have to be made, otherwise breivik has ultimately won

Not really, Breivik wasn't shooting people over laws on prison sentencing

Breivik wanted to politicse and stir up massive media attention with the court case, which didn't happen due to norway treating him like any other villain

No, it didn't happen because his cause, motivations and actions were completely insane.
To stir up political motivation you need to get the populace on side. I don't think shooting them will help that.

[parkour_nico]

'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

where did you get that from?

my brain innit

herein lies the basis to my outrage, disbelief and general shaking of heads shared by fellow ninjas.

without launching a personal attack, i believe you can attempt to explain things, through theories and logic read/learned from books, but ultimately it's just theorising, it can never ever explain the true reasons why breivik did these things.

the fact that you question a fellow ninja "where did you get that from" to me shows an amazing naivety, and arrogance. you can''t believe that something so profound can come from one of your peers, it must be from books/theory/great minds, that you ostensibly use on a dubstep forum, to systematically (in your view) intellectually destroy others by dissecting their arguments, happily telling them why and how they are wrong.

this is the main reason myself and others are so upset, the simple concept that a seemingly rational-minded person can see there is any argument here. breivik deserves nothing

[noam]

'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

where did you get that from?

my brain innit

fort soe coz itz rong n dat init loooooooool ahahahah loorlllll

[faultier]

breivik deserves nothing

so true, and i'd add the thing he deserves less than any other is to be turned into a martyr for other extremists nutjobs like himself

[phrex]

So that's a little over 3 months for each person he killed.

When you put it like that...

a prison sentence is not a revenge.

understand this, and you will see, that it doesn't make sence at all to strip it down to this calculation.

[noam]

'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

where did you get that from?

my brain innit

herein lies the basis to my outrage, disbelief and general shaking of heads shared by fellow ninjas.

without launching a personal attack, i believe you can attempt to explain things, through theories and logic read/learned from books, but ultimately it's just theorising, it can never ever explain the true reasons why breivik did these things.

the fact that you question a fellow ninja "where did you get that from" to me shows an amazing naivety, and arrogance. you can''t believe that something so profound can come from one of your peers, it must be from books/theory/great minds, that you ostensibly use on a dubstep forum, to systematically (in your view) intellectually destroy others by dissecting their arguments, happily telling them why and how they are wrong.

this is the main reason myself and others are so upset, the simple concept that a seemingly rational-minded person can see there is any argument here. breivik deserves nothing

wow

literally... wow

i asked cos it didn't make sense lol not cos it was so amazingly profound that i couldn't comprehend it coming from THE MIND OF A FELLOW NINJA

(soz capo, i dont wana be sat here taking the piss but your mate there is chattin MAKKAHHHHHHH)

this thread is fucked, based on peoples dislike for myself and my argument i reckon Britain could actually bring back the death penalty if it was down to this forum, imagine!! hilarious, great job guys, keep it up

[capo ultra]

I don't dislike you, you're just really naive in this thread and you don't have a coherent argument. There are more options other than releasing him to a baying public or killing him mate. The courts that sentenced him have proved this.

And you look like a bit of a nob and generally clueless when you're only response against anything you disagree with is 'lolz'

[scspkr99]

I don't dislike you, you're just really naive in this thread mate

He's not though and no one has come up with a reasonable alternative.

However we're signatories to the ECHR so thankfully discussions around the death penalty are moot.

[scspkr99]

I don't dislike you, you're just really naive in this thread and you don't have a coherent argument. There are more options other than releasing him to a baying public or killing him mate. The courts that sentenced him have proved this.

And you look like a bit of a nob and generally clueless when you're only response against anything you disagree with is 'lolz'

Who are you replying to because it seems pretty obvious that Noam prefers none of those options.

[capo ultra]

what are you even talking about scspkr99? Can you not read?

[scspkr99]

what are you even talking about scspkr99? Can you not read?

I really don't understand your point if you're replying to Noam but that may be because you don't make it as clearly as you think you do.

[capo ultra]

'I don't think we should kill him' is not a valid reason to justify releasing a guy into general public. Please tell me you're not so dumb that you fail to understand this

[scspkr99]

I didn't realise that point was ever made, if you can show that it was then I'll admit I was wrong.

[capo ultra]

you really need to think about what you're typing

[capo ultra]

I respect Noam's youthfulness but he really doesn't know what he is talking about, and doesn't have any kind of response to anyone else other than 'lolz' and 'next fing you know Britain will have the death penalty.' It's obvious he doesn't have a clue because he can't be bothered to back his claims up clearly

[scspkr99]

See thatr's just words but that's okay you seem to be doing this a bit. I know what I'm typing I am saying that I don't recall anyone saying that he should be released into the general public because we shouldn't kill him. If you can point out where that argument was made I'll admit I'm dumb if you can't then I'll believe you are.