Junglists getting angry about people jumping ships !

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:18 pm

he errs on the side of 'progressive' but at least it's not DEEP VOCAL HOUSE. hehe.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:31 pm

Haven't heard anything deep or vocal for a while but reckon I could handle the incessant 4 on the floor if it was. Actually, I haven't heard any sort of house for a while so would be keen to get an update on the state of play.Who is making and where is the good stuff ?
thanks in advance for any help

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:37 pm

check out akufen.

seriously, get on it.

cede · Post by **cede** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:01 am

This is a good resource in terms of more interesting house / techno / minimal:

MNML

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:22 am

pollywog wrote:cool, reckon you can link us to a good house mix that isn't cheddar then ?

I prefer to eat my cheese, not hear it... GOOD HOUSE... read: not progressive. AKA Slow trance. AKA Regressive. AKA SHIT.

This is real house:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LTOCWXB5 -- Mark Farina vs Josh Wink

http://www.robot-karate.com/audio/BJLiv ... celona.mp3 -- Brett Johnson - Live at Estate - Barcelona, Spain - Dec 14, 2005

And I'll have some of my stuff up as soon as it finishes uploading.

n-type · Post by **n-type** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:42 am

i like anything that is good really...

genre doesnt bother me to much but it definatly has an effect on my djing cos dubstep is fuckin wicked!! big up all in da scene!!!

i swear for me its just the right speed with the energy, bass freq, skank out sounds, meditation, influences, the people, the vibes, da list goes on forever man! heavy!

im bit of a hippy! whos partying stil now???

lets get on it!

an i love it

n-type · Post by **n-type** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:44 am

who wants to come round mine for a mix

b2b cos i cant be fuct to lay about

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Sun May 07, 2006 3:11 pm

Haven't read the whole thread... The other night I went to a big dnb/techno/breaks etc. night in Nottingham, mainly for the dnb. Marky didn't show up which was shit but I saw Zinc and Andy C. They were both good, played one or two really good tunes etc... but then I went and saw Kode9 for two hours and they pissed all over the dnb I'd seen. I think there's loads of great dnb around at the moment but it isn't necessarily getting reflected by the big DJs- producers like Calibre, D-Bridge, Commix, Breakage, Break, Silent Witness etc. are bringing out some great stuff. It seems to be quite segregated within the scene, and I reckon that might be the next stage for dnb- sub-genres coming into their own. DJs need to reflect that though. Having said all this, jungle/dnb from the 90s often sounds fresher and more exciting than contemporary stuff, and dubstep seems to still be in that fresh state where there's room for experimentation...

Basically I haven't ditched dnb, but dubstep is too good to ignore

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sun May 07, 2006 3:26 pm

^^ what he said.

a_k47 · Post by **a_k47** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:40 pm

4 me dnb was always my first love from in music but now it feels like im cheatin on it wid dubstep. im still into it tho but hardy listen 2 da new stuff its all gone a bit jump i feel but i reckon a few old favorties r still mashin it up (eg usual suspects dylan loxy tech itch jus 2 name a few

kion · Post by **kion** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:45 pm

The music being played is irrelevant - its all about the VIBE. And the vibe has landed on this sound right now.

The VIBE was in Jungle a loooooong time ago, and it dissipated into many different scenes, and now its been re-converging on this thing for quite a while, and continues to do so, pulling different people back together. Niceness!

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:18 am

^ bup bup !!

sub version · Post by **sub version** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:26 am

i remember reading an interview with photek in about 97/98 and he was saying that the early rave/house scene was very varied as far as the music went because it was essentially a small scene, so it needed to have lots of different elements (ie fluffy ambient tunes, hardcore bassline tunes, vocal tunes, pop song remixes etc etc) to appeal to everyone within that scene.

however, what happened after a while was that as the scene grew larger and events/labels /artists could afford to specialise and only appeal to a small section of the scene, the music became formulaic and a lot of the original heads from that particular scene went on to make/listen to other styles of music simply because they were bored with churning out the same ol shit and to be honest, you can only try to push the boundaries of any musical style so much and then it stops becoming that style!

when drum and bass hit the mainstream exactly the same thing happened. lots of inspiration followed by lots of emulation.

to say that the same won't happen to dubstep is just naive (i can hear it already). thats not to say that its not good music or that i don't absolutely love it, just enjoy it while you can...

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:33 am

One major difference tho, is that now it is much much harder to make money from music. Therefore there is less bandwagon jumping just to make a quick buck. In the hayday of house/jungle/late nineties D+B, people could make a bit of money out of a good tune. These days you're lucky to cover your costs.

Although it makes it harder for producers, it means that people who do it are doing it for the love rather than the money.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:46 am

I think variety is one of the keys, as I said a lot of DJs don't reflect the variety there is in dnb- and there still is variety, but as sub version said a lot of nights are specialised now. At DMZ I heard so many different styles, it was kept fluid and that's the way it should be. Also, although obviously you can skank out to most dubstep tunes, there isn't the relentless need to make people (on pills) dance at 100mph.

sub version · Post by **sub version** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:33 am

elemental wrote:One major difference tho, is that now it is much much harder to make money from music. Therefore there is less bandwagon jumping just to make a quick buck. In the hayday of house/jungle/late nineties D+B, people could make a bit of money out of a good tune. These days you're lucky to cover your costs.

Although it makes it harder for producers, it means that people who do it are doing it for the love rather than the money.

and that should be a good thing for dubstep, but most producers i know like to make much more than one style of music and i fear that what might happen is that once producers DO start to make decent money (enough to quit the day job) from what they're doing, they will feel unable to step outside of the box they've been put in for financial reasons, which is sad.

corpsey definitely has it right with the variety thing though, i remember hearing once that timbaland has expressed an interest in working with coldplay. now while i'm not a huge coldplay fan, i'd fucking love to hear some of that just for the wierdness factor! now THAT'S fucking variety!

pdomino · Post by **pdomino** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:59 am

Music will always come into other or be part of other influences

I cant see where people get off slating music they simply dont understand

aled · Post by **aled** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:44 pm

Corpsey wrote:The other night I went to a big dnb/techno/breaks etc. night in Nottingham, mainly for the dnb. Marky didn't show up which was shit but I saw Zinc and Andy C. They were both good, played one or two really good tunes etc... but then I went and saw Kode9 for two hours and they pissed all over the dnb I'd seen.

Hope you had a good night. I know I did. It should happen again at some point......keep an eye out for more Loom stuff. Thanks for representing.

dan_b · Post by **dan_b** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:25 pm

what are you on about, i still love Drum-and-Midrange

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:13 pm

Junglists getting angry about people jumping ships !

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