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[contakt]

aliens and ufos are real.
you can say there is no evidence of them, but also there is no proof that they don't exist.
you'd have to be pretty fucking clever to know for a fact that humans are the only form of intelligent life in a potentially infinite universe...

governments lie about so much i wouldn't believe much of what they say.

keep paying your taxes and reading your bible. money is good. consume. trust your leaders. global warming is only a theory. god bless america!

if god existed he would NOT bless america!!!!

This worldview assumes that alien beings in an infinitely diverse universe are infinitely fascinated by the activities of the squalid collection of organisms that populate earth.

It also assumes that world governments (by which you probably mean America - a fast receding power on the world stage) are in on some kind of conspiracy to cover up repeated contact with these beings. If this were the case, what on earth are they getting out of it? Technology? A ticket off this planet when things eventually go tits up? This is even more far fetched than the idea that we are under constant surveillance.

I don't doubt for a minute that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I don't doubt for a minute that we haven't learned even the smallest fraction of truth about our own existence.

I just have real issues with the kind of worldview that places human beings at the centre of the universe - as most UFO theories do. It is this kind of bare faced arrogance that gave us religion - specifically the human centric world religions that are currently causing so much conflict on the world stage.

As a species, we need to recognise that we are entirely unimportant and that the only meaning that exists in the universe is that which we project onto it. Only then will we be free.

[the wiggle baron]

i wish you could read this post from my perspective.

these things fly in formation. they react to NASA's energy experiment. they interfere with nuke launches. these are all signs of intelligence.

No, these are not.

Many things in nature exhibit formations without any kind of intelligence behind them, for example magnetic fields. I find the idea of there being a force, or something similar creating these formations that we have yet to discover and understand ALOT more plausible than intelligent life forms studying us (for some reason from near our planet, when you would have thought a highly advanced race would have developed the technology to observe us without a chance of our knowing)

Im still standing behind the God of the gaps thought on this. It appears that all the "evidence" for alien life is nothing more than paranormal events (ie things we dont understand) that CAN fit into this idea, rather than HAVE to. Its a major difference. It all seems to be based on the idea that what we know now (in terms of physics etc) is the truth. And that these events have to fit into this framework somehow. Id be much more inclined to say that our understanding of physics as a whole is entirely wrong (as has happened more times in history than anyone could care to mention) and that these paranormal events fit into a different understanding of the universe that we have yet to develop. (in my opinion this is far more likely than us just happening to be alive in the 50 year window of the course of man where we are beginning to realise we are being watched.)

Also, like anyone with your opinions on this matter you have not answered ANY of my points that call into question the evidence provided. You have just tried to make us question our own questioning (if that makes sense). Does this not ring alarm bells?

Edit: I left alone the points on interfering with nuke launches etc alone, as I personally have NO primary experience as to what would be involved with something like this. And I hasten to add that I doubt you do either.

none of what you're arguing addresses any of the evidence presented at all.

i said there is good evidence and i pointed to it and you skimmed it, dismissed it and have written up all kinds of irrelevant points. this is what happened in the AIDS thread too. i said don't respond unless you've watched the video. then tons of dudes skimmed it and started talking about all kinds of things that had nothing to do with the evidence being presented.

happens every time.

I watched the video in its entirety, with no other distractions.

And you have yet again avoided my "irrelevant points". You could probably try reading your own words

[parson]

what are these points once more then.

[parson]

magnetic fields do not fly around and appear on uv cameras

your points are more akin to flailing than evidence of critical thinking

"a lot of people will one day in their life trip over the truth. But most just get up dust themselves off and continue as if nothing has happened."

- winston churchill

[the wiggle baron]

How about the point that all these discs are viewed face on? Surely you would expect some to appear elliptical or viewed side on completely?

You would have noticed that if you hadnt just skimmed over my posts

Oh, and the magnetic field thing was again a mediocre analogy at best. My point is that it seems ludicrous to jump to the conclusion of aliens before the conclusion that our whole knowledge base is flawed (im sure i dont need to mention paradigm shifts to you)

[misk]

aliens do exist. or, well, they did exist. I met a race of pan-dimensional sentient gummi bears. The wanted to communicate the secrets of time and dimensional travel to me.





but i ate them. sorry.




oh yeah, poltergeists not poltergeist's

[parson]

How about the point that all these discs are viewed face on? Surely you would expect some to appear elliptical or viewed side on completely?

You would have noticed that if you hadnt just skimmed over my posts

Oh, and the magnetic field thing was again a mediocre analogy at best. My point is that it seems ludicrous to jump to the conclusion of aliens before the conclusion that our whole knowledge base is flawed (im sure i dont need to mention paradigm shifts to you)

yes the face on thing is a very good question. i didn't see you ask that one. there are several other good questions i have about the conclusions drawn by sereda.

i don' thave a good answer about that. what i find more interesting however is the fact that they have a shape, the same shape, and that they occupy specific space that they can zoom in and out on, as opposed to lens flares or other optic anomalies.

what it says to me though is that we are observing a highly energetic state and we are incapable of perceiving it accurately because the only way its being detected is in the near UV field. there's no telling what its going to look like if we could perceive it completely or in more ways. perhaps whats being detected is some kind of energy field being created by the craft and not the actual craft. if it is a spherical energy field, then it would show up as the same shape in every instance in a 2d image.

[parson]

yeah spherical energy field is my final answer

[auan]

If you can't see it (not in visible light spectrum), touch it (they seem to fly right through the antenna thing in the shot) or hear it (i'm assuming, but nothing makes sound in space), what's the point?

[parson]

you're right.

for now on i don't believe in anything that won't make me a sandwich.

[FSTZ]

you're right.

for now on i don't believe in anything that won't make me a sandwich.

my chick wont even make me a sandwich

now that I think about it...

she's not normal,

maybe she's para-normal

[parson]

does she scratch you when you're asleep?

[misk]

theres some great stories by lovecraft about beings existing beyond the known visible spectrum. as a matter of fact, for those of you who dont know, lovecraft is the fucking shit... read all his shit. period.

[thump rat]

aliens and ufos are real.
em, buyou can say there is no evidence of tht also there is no proof that they don't exist.
you'd have to be pretty fucking clever to know for a fact that humans are the only form of intelligent life in a potentially infinite universe...

governments lie about so much i wouldn't believe much of what they say.

keep paying your taxes and reading your bible. money is good. consume. trust your leaders. global warming is only a theory. god bless america!

if god existed he would NOT bless america!!!!

This worldview assumes that alien beings in an infinitely diverse universe are infinitely fascinated by the activities of the squalid collection of organisms that populate earth.

It also assumes that world governments (by which you probably mean America - a fast receding power on the world stage) are in on some kind of conspiracy to cover up repeated contact with these beings. If this were the case, what on earth are they getting out of it? Technology? A ticket off this planet when things eventually go tits up? This is even more far fetched than the idea that we are under constant surveillance.

I don't doubt for a minute that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I don't doubt for a minute that we haven't learned even the smallest fraction of truth about our own existence.

I just have real issues with the kind of worldview that places human beings at the centre of the universe - as most UFO theories do. It is this kind of bare faced arrogance that gave us religion - specifically the human centric world religions that are currently causing so much conflict on the world stage.

As a species, we need to recognise that we are entirely unimportant and that the only meaning that exists in the universe is that which we project onto it. Only then will we be free.

I am way too mash up to come up with some arse elbow alien bollocks, but i would like to applaud you on your use of my 3rd favourite word in this squalid thread. Big ups!

[the wiggle baron]

I did think about the idea of a spherical object/whatever these things are! But the problem with that is the little notch they all have. That would definately either not be in alot of the pictures, or would move etc. I spose the thought that they are something less physical than im thinking is definately the way forward, and that is how I came to the conclusion that these are the representation of a natural universal phenomenon that we are (as yet) unable to explain?

The trouble is that statements like these are not even worth saying as there is literally no way of proving it false. (Falsifiability principle, Karl Popper) However, does this not surely apply to the argument for alien life aswell? And if so, this surely leads back to my original point that we literally don't know what these things are? And to conclude anything (ie alien life) is a huge over-step on the knowledge we have of these events?

[d-T-r]

we are aliens.

[scarecrow]

Fermi Paradox... Anyone?

[*grand*]

8bit i wake up with some scars like that in the morning sometimes, and same as you too long and funny angled in weird places (eg. lower back, thigh etc.) for me to have done myself, thought it could have been the corners of shelves or something but then i moved them and it still happens

that is fuckin scary though man, and shonky that thing in that house with the pickaxe and blood everywhere!! fuckin hell i would have FREAKED if i were you, cos thing is i do find the concept of ghosts etc. a little bit scary but its real life weird shit like that that freaks me out, crazy axe murderers on the loose and that

i use to wake up with crazy scars, every now and again, i remember one night i felt like i had something digging me in my back, and i couldnt get to sleep for the life of me, i tossed and turned, as if i was fighting with something... th enxt morning my mum said she had a dream that people were trying to take me away and she was fighting with them, it was freaky because thats just what it felt llike..... weird... my nan is a firm believer in the spirit world, 8bitbwoi sleep with a mirror at the foot of youor bed and wear soomething red when you go to bed.

[scarecrow]

Thought I might add. I am a believer, though I haven't met the little grey dudes. But I have seen UFO's, twice (that is, objects I have been unable to identify), the second case was exactly like the 'typical' sightings most people report. A set of 3 dancing lights in the sky, then they disappeared in an instant, and no I wasn't tripping or lean up or nothing

Also, BACK TO THE TOPIC. Im sorry to hear about your experience 8bit.
Does it only happen when you are at home? or do you experience these phenomenon elsewhere? Kinda scary shit.
I've had a little experience with this kind of thing. The estate where I live is 'supposed' to have been built on an old graveyard, of which most of the bodies were exhumed....... (just don't tell the kids that.. eh?)
I agree, MOST of these experiences can be put down to psycological reasoning, but not all.
For instance, in early 2003, me and a few heads used to chill round a mates house in walthamstow. he had his studio in the kitchen, with a glass door leading to the garden. and these lot SWORE the house was haunted, I was like yeah yeah.
But after a week or so, we (yup,we) kept seeing someone looking through the window, a dark figure, most of the time it was just an outline of a head. thinking it was someone playing games, I would jump straight up and open the glass door, and no one was there. This kept happening for months. Then, now and again the temperature started dropping instantly, and we had the heating on too........
Now there was at least 3-5 people who witnessed this at the same time, so I'm not falling for the group hallucenation theory, I don't buy that.
But one night, there was an outline of a figure at the window, the temperature dropped fucking ridiculously, like goosbumps mate y'know? Anyways we just looked at each other...... then there was a couple of taps on the window, well, we shat ourselves and ran the fuck out of there... went to the shop and came back.
After that, there was only a few times we saw the head at the window, but the guy moved out soon afterwards. Now I don't know what this was, but like I said there was at least 3-5 people who witnessed this, but it was proper creepy I tell you.
i've had similar thing happen at my house, like taps on the window etc, it's kinda scary, cos I live in a council block, 3 stories up......

Also,an old friend of mine, who lived on my estate at the time, had an experience when he was very young, one night, his mum came in to find him screaming with a pillow over his face, with a hand print/indentation on it, I dont know what the dilly was there, but his mum started cursing and screaming and (apparently) the pillow just fell from his face onto the floor....
Curse the Duppy and he shall go......
Anyways, my 2p.

[contakt]

Regarding ghosts and stuff...

I have never experienced anything, but several people I know very well and trust completely have. One of them even took a picture which I have looked at and it is one of the most disturbing things I have seen in my whole life.

I don't know what to think really, as I haven't had first hand experience.

However, I doubt there is a 'spirit world' or any system that is ordered enough for deliberate hauntings.

I had a mate who came up with quite a nice analogy. He said imagine time is like a record and the present moment is where the needle is. Sometimes the needle might skip slightly and for an instant we exist in more than one time/dimension. That's when you get crossover.

It's got a lot of holes, but I like the image.