DEATH to AMERICA

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:34 pm

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:36 pm

i'm not trying to prove anything about myself

i've got a lot to share about the truth behind the illusion though in case anybody wants to listen without being a butthurt whiny bitch

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:38 pm

i see you've decided to resort to name calling? thats cool though, because people from texas always talk like that, and it makes it okay. Besides, it makes you sound like more of a man.

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:38 pm

you've got issues dude

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:39 pm

dont we all? its what makes being human so interesting.

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:40 pm

quit rubbing yours on me

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:42 pm

trying to get a rise out of me still?

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:43 pm

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:47 pm

Just a friendly reminder:
ALWAYS!!!! I REPEAT ALWAYS!!!!!
Be skeptic to ALL theories and ALL infomation!
Doesnt matter from whom or where it comes from, give it all some time!!!!
And read around something, if you find a subject convincing!

Or else you get buttfucked up dupstep people....who dont really give a fuck anyway!
=)

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:55 pm

and don't ever assume that the ideas i've arrived at have just been sprung on me.

i've been on this planet for a lot of years learning a lot of things about a lot of things. i also don't have patience for condescension from people who clearly do not understand what i'm talking about.

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:59 pm

for instance, i have been telling people that we are probably alien hybrids since i was like 12 years old or so

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:16 am

geez guys. we got the troll to go away and now everyone is fighting like 3rd graders again.

this isn't helpful.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:17 am

sorry. i have the habit of reacting with aggression when confronted with passive aggression

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:45 am

well, yer all acting like twats. LOL

i can handle some random asshole that i don't know acting like a dick. seeing two guys that i actually like going at it is frustrating.

sorry, just my diplomatic side coming out.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:49 am

no wai he started it

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:14 am

Honestly, i dont really know how i could be possibly be mispercieved as passively agressive. i was thinking i was being pretty agressive actually.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:15 am

i hate to say this but....

only the privileged in this situation get to turn an altruistic effort into a pissing contest to see who is more benevolent. i fully admit to my complacency. i can tell you why too. i am desperately impoverished. i don't own anything or hope to in the near future. i haven't bought new clothes in about a year and a half. new shoes in about a year. there are several weeks where my diet consists of rice and salt. i work hard. every single day. for half of what i am due but i can't find another job because no one wants to pay and the job market isn't moving. i don't really go to shows or go out to movies or lots of activities because since i got my car (really necessary in tampa) i can barely afford to get bread once every two weeks. not counting the $50K worth of debt I have for a college degree thats not counting for shit. sure i smoke herb...even with a copay, medicine is expensive. and thank goodness i have insurance, even though i really can't afford it, because if i got ill, i would be ass out. i'm beyond living paycheck to paycheck. it would be nice if i could afford to be consumerist but i can't. and as for involvement in the system, the fact that i haven't turned a trick, had to serve, or had to strip to earn my keep proves more of my dedication to the cause than switching to canvas bags for groceries or complaining about people i do not know and their effort.

i don't have to pee for anyone to be validated. i don't have to explain my behavior or actions to anyone. i am satisfied because even though i am in a rather desperate situation, i still hold my head up high and work towards constantly learning and understanding. and yeah, it might not be a march on Philadelphia. I did that when I was younger. But a few things have changed since then:

1. I graduated college
2. Because I graduated, I had to work for a living
3. Because I had to work, I had to worry about rent and groceries
4. I no longer had the freedom or the liberty to pursue little more than minor pleasures in between days of droning.

when i was in school, one of the things we would discuss was this problem of privilege. And we realized that we were also part of this, because we had the liberty in life to pursue theorizing and pursue radical action and pursue canvasing and campaigns. But don't ever forget that if you have true liberty to discuss, and to a degree, corrupt and turn into a power struggle of one up manship, then you are equally privileged. Not everyone enjoys the liberty to pursue lofty goals. Some only have the liberty to survive.

If you are privileged enough to see the problem, then do something and do it because in your heart, you believe it is the right thing to do. Don't do it with arrogance and don't do it for ego masturbation. Do it from a pure place that needs no outside validation. And if you have the privilege, do the work for those who can't. Remember....you're not doing the work to eek out a measure of social dominance. You're doing it to improve your situation. And you're doing it for those who can't.

I used to do volunteer work at nursing homes, fed homeless in soup kitchens, handed out flyers for socialists in Harvard square, went to rallies with unions and taken buses for miles for protests. But I can't do it now--I'm too broken financially. But even if the only thing I'd ever done was voted in the primaries, I shouldn't have to explain a goddamned thing to anyone who isn't paying a bill. If you're involved its because you're trying to make a better place. Not to prove you are the best grassroots protester or most compassionate as long as it can be codified.

You wanna help? Then do it. Thats all thats required of you. The will and the freedom. Will is easy. Freedom isn't. And if you have both, then do your part to make this place a better place to live. Trust, I will be doing the same in ways I can't ever explain or measure but equally invaluable.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:15 am

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:16 am

Misk wrote:suppose that answers my question right there. whos next? This wasnt aimed at parson specifically. Everyone! Lets fight the system from our swivel chairs! lets get on the 'net' and hack the gibson! we're techno-anarchists!

or maybe we're just complacent. its cool though, just watch another google video - its a great way to show people how involved you are, and if they dont believe you, just give them some useless facts about sacred geometry, ley lines, or energy transferrence. if they dont understand, then they're obviously not ready to evolve!

Big up the "im raising my vibration by sitting on my couch smoking a spliff" crew...

Seriously, quit your political theorizing and do something for a change. Otherwise, if your not gonna do shit besides read a few books, watch some videos and form an "educated" opinion, then shut the fuck up.

this goes for the OP and everyone else on here who's apart of the intellectual crusade.

Hardly passive. I just get sick of hearing people talk about changing the world and then doing nothing to back it up. Im not trying to change the world, and i think it's important to put things in perspective from time to time. hence - my observation that the emperor has no clothes. Ironically this wasnt directed at parson specifically, but at people who do this in general - the fact that he took it personal is his own issue really.

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:19 am

bellybelle wrote:i hate to say this but....

only the privileged in this situation get to turn an altruistic effort into a pissing contest to see who is more benevolent. i fully admit to my complacency. i can tell you why too. i am desperately impoverished. i don't own anything or hope to in the near future. i haven't bought new clothes in about a year and a half. new shoes in about a year. there are several weeks where my diet consists of rice and salt. i work hard. every single day. for half of what i am due but i can't find another job because no one wants to pay and the job market isn't moving. i don't really go to shows or go out to movies or lots of activities because since i got my car (really necessary in tampa) i can barely afford to get bread once every two weeks. not counting the $50K worth of debt I have for a college degree thats not counting for shit. sure i smoke herb...even with a copay, medicine is expensive. and thank goodness i have insurance, even though i really can't afford it, because if i got ill, i would be ass out. i'm beyond living paycheck to paycheck. it would be nice if i could afford to be consumerist but i can't. and as for involvement in the system, the fact that i haven't turned a trick, had to serve, or had to strip to earn my keep proves more of my dedication to the cause than switching to canvas bags for groceries or complaining about people i do not know and their effort.

i don't have to pee for anyone to be validated. i don't have to explain my behavior or actions to anyone. i am satisfied because even though i am in a rather desperate situation, i still hold my head up high and work towards constantly learning and understanding. and yeah, it might not be a march on Philadelphia. I did that when I was younger. But a few things have changed since then:

1. I graduated college
2. Because I graduated, I had to work for a living
3. Because I had to work, I had to worry about rent and groceries
4. I no longer had the freedom or the liberty to pursue little more than minor pleasures in between days of droning.

when i was in school, one of the things we would discuss was this problem of privilege. And we realized that we were also part of this, because we had the liberty in life to pursue theorizing and pursue radical action and pursue canvasing and campaigns. But don't ever forget that if you have true liberty to discuss, and to a degree, corrupt and turn into a power struggle of one up manship, then you are equally privileged. Not everyone enjoys the liberty to pursue lofty goals. Some only have the liberty to survive.

If you are privileged enough to see the problem, then do something and do it because in your heart, you believe it is the right thing to do. Don't do it with arrogance and don't do it for ego masturbation. Do it from a pure place that needs no outside validation. And if you have the privilege, do the work for those who can't. Remember....you're not doing the work to eek out a measure of social dominance. You're doing it to improve your situation. And you're doing it for those who can't.

I used to do volunteer work at nursing homes, fed homeless in soup kitchens, handed out flyers for socialists in Harvard square, went to rallies with unions and taken buses for miles for protests. But I can't do it now--I'm too broken financially. But even if the only thing I'd ever done was voted in the primaries, I shouldn't have to explain a goddamned thing to anyone who isn't paying a bill. If you're involved its because you're trying to make a better place. Not to prove you are the best grassroots protester or most compassionate as long as it can be codified.

You wanna help? Then do it. Thats all thats required of you. The will and the freedom. Will is easy. Freedom isn't. And if you have both, then do your part to make this place a better place to live. Trust, I will be doing the same in ways I can't ever explain or measure but equally invaluable.

Belle, you couldn't have said what i was getting at any better!

also - i too admit to complacency. I admit to being selfish enough to pursue my own personal goals while less privileged people are scraping by to afford to survive.

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