Chase & Status leave Ram and sign to Mercury Records

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:35 pm

Best of luck to em.

They have made some of the sickest tunes over the years.

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:50 am

well done to em

but seriously whatever happened to credible dance music that was so good it just got big because it was SO GOOD... Sasha and digweed anyone?

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:22 am

seckle wrote:
Q23 wrote:If you sell 1 million copies of a record for a major label, under a standard contract, you make the same amount of money you would have made if you pressed em all up yourself and sold 30k copies, after recouping costs. (Thats 3%) This shows what a major label pays the artist after they own your copyright. Major label contracts are more about fame and pushing your name, then pushing the entire sound or your scene.
i'd agree to that, but it is different depending on what kind of deal you work out. a publishing deal can be very different than a distribution deal, or a production deal. even more so if you were smart and own all your masters (like jay z and rockafella, for example). if you do, then there is a gigantic longterm money advantage to signing with a major. especially if you were lucky to go gold or platinum. if you did, then with a major label deal, thats money that even your grandkids will get.

if you don't own your masters or have potential sample clearance issues, then its a tricky decision to make.

ez Seckle & Q23, very interesting insight...the major's are rapist's when they want to be, if you want something doing, do it yourself eh?!

ghosttown · Post by **ghosttown** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:55 am

they deserve it, good luck to em

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:30 am

mangos! wrote:in terms of creative vision and music industry business sense, C&S are so consistently so far ahead of the curve in comparison to most of their peers let alone the wastemen on here, that it is just comical to read through so much trite shyte criticism from so many insignificant little scrotes

like they don't know what they're doing. like you know better

hahahahahahahaha

big up the supporters and big up C&S on a whole string of massive achievements

so you reckon chase and status will be world famous in 15 years time.....

and i intend to prove i know better.

And also i dont see that many people dissing them, im not dissing them im glad they are going to make money, big up to them, i just wouldnt compromise my music just to sign to a major label.... obviously we'll see what happens but i was never that bothered about them anyway.

physical · Post by **physical** » Fri May 22, 2009 9:53 am

Deadly Habit wrote:
Piston wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:
Piston wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote: enlighten me kind sir, what tunes do you consistently listen to without getting stale provided a life changing experience for you that get cained on your local dancefloor
are fsol dance music?

or boards of canada?

also...dead can dance

electronic yes, written for a dancefloor i'd say no
when i say dance music i'm thinking dj friendly catered to get some drunk/drugged up heads shaking their asses
so no jungle changed your life then?

metalheadz era stuff or even old hardcore...

and papua new guinea is a dancefloor tune albeit a combination of meat beat manifesto & dead can dance...

i also dance to venetian snares and consider his music to have changed my life...

don't get me wrong i know where you're coming from and i love a lot of jazz, classical, folk, hip-hop, reggae/ska, afrobeat etc and consider much of it to be life changing in a different way to dance music but i still would say my life has been impacted upon hugely by electronic music..
i'm saying the disposable dancefloor fodder like c&s pendulum clipz etc stuff that don't get me wrong i enjoy, but like i've stated before doesn't really have a shelflife and would hardly consider to be life affirming or changing
i mean shit even i write some shit like that, just i consider dance records to be just for that and wouldn't classify a lot of the stuff you listed as that
and yea electronic music has changed my life a great deal just not dancefloor stuff

it's all about setting isnt it. it's not going to change your life if youre listening to clipz or pendulum in your fuckin bedroom - but when i was growing up through my teenage years, going to fabric with all my mates on a friday night, getting smashed to a load of throwaway jump up, those were some of the best memories i have of that era. and without those times, i sure as hell woudnt be so into the music i love, nor probably have been bothered to get into DJing or production etc.

re chase and status, im pretty impartial to the whole thing. if they think it'll make them more money, fair enough. if theyre gonna start producing hip hop and pop records for famous artists, and theyre happy with that then cool. who knows what their plan is with the whole thing. no big loss to dubstep i dont think. although im sure theyll keep making it.

q23 · Post by **q23** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:49 pm

dubstee wrote:

It's quite simple.

1) Lowest common denominator music is popular.
2) Lowest common denominator dubstep (e.g. Chase & Status with vocals on top, which is presumably what will be coming out through Mercury) gets more people into dubstep.
3) More and more lowest common denominator dubstep gets made by people trying to emulate the popularity of C&S, thus lowering the overall quality of dubstep.
4) Cycle repeats itself until lowest common denominator dominates the genre completely.

This is exactly why MCs in America are rapping over unprocessed 808 beats. Guys with full on gold mines in their teeth are singing R&B with autotune, and if you throw this explanation at TV, why reality TV is the number one genre now.

Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

pozzoli · Post by **pozzoli** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:02 pm

Good luck to them I say.

I've always found their music to be a bit generic to be honest. I can't think of anything original about any of their tunes, they just seem to hit the right tone at the right time with a high production standard.

Still, they are very good at what they do, I have a lot of respect for them, and I wish them all the best.

kizza2435 · Post by **kizza2435** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:39 pm

when the fuck are they gunna release Bits???

atrocity exhibition · Post by **atrocity exhibition** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:12 pm

All their best dnb tracks sounded like clones of other producers anyway

A couple of very bait AI sounding tracks in particular

rubadub · Post by **rubadub** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:34 pm

Q23 wrote:
dubstee wrote:

It's quite simple.

1) Lowest common denominator music is popular.
2) Lowest common denominator dubstep (e.g. Chase & Status with vocals on top, which is presumably what will be coming out through Mercury) gets more people into dubstep.
3) More and more lowest common denominator dubstep gets made by people trying to emulate the popularity of C&S, thus lowering the overall quality of dubstep.
4) Cycle repeats itself until lowest common denominator dominates the genre completely.
This is exactly why MCs in America are rapping over unprocessed 808 beats. Guys with full on gold mines in their teeth are singing R&B with autotune, and if you throw this explanation at TV, why reality TV is the number one genre now.

Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

Well good film, only watched half, so was a bit confused. But made me laugh. That's with luke wilson in the future and everyone is stupid yeah?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:51 pm

congrats to C&S...i look forward to what this brings...

on another note, just to put some perspective on Major label input...according to the great Steve Albini, as individuals we are better off without major label support, This relates to bands more than producers btw...but relative

a longer version of Albini's words in the link...

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

There's no need to skew the figures to make the scenario look bad, since real-life examples more than abound. income is bold and underlined, expenses are not.

Advance: $ 250,000
Manager's cut: $ 37,500
Legal fees: $ 10,000
Recording Budget: $ 150,000
Producer's advance: $ 50,000
Studio fee: $ 52,500
Drum Amp, Mic and Phase "Doctors": $ 3,000
Recording tape: $ 8,000
Equipment rental: $ 5,000
Cartage and Transportation: $ 5,000
Lodgings while in studio: $ 10,000
Catering: $ 3,000
Mastering: $ 10,000
Tape copies, reference CDs, shipping tapes, misc. expenses: $ 2,000
Video budget: $ 30,000
Cameras: $ 8,000
Crew: $ 5,000
Processing and transfers: $ 3,000
Off-line: $ 2,000
On-line editing: $ 3,000
Catering: $ 1,000
Stage and construction: $ 3,000
Copies, couriers, transportation: $ 2,000
Director's fee: $ 3,000
Album Artwork: $ 5,000
Promotional photo shoot and duplication: $ 2,000
Band fund: $ 15,000
New fancy professional drum kit: $ 5,000
New fancy professional guitars [2]: $ 3,000
New fancy professional guitar amp rigs [2]: $ 4,000
New fancy potato-shaped bass guitar: $ 1,000
New fancy rack of lights bass amp: $ 1,000
Rehearsal space rental: $ 500
Big blowout party for their friends: $ 500
Tour expense [5 weeks]: $ 50,875
Bus: $ 25,000
Crew [3]: $ 7,500
Food and per diems: $ 7,875
Fuel: $ 3,000
Consumable supplies: $ 3,500
Wardrobe: $ 1,000
Promotion: $ 3,000
Tour gross income: $ 50,000
Agent's cut: $ 7,500
Manager's cut: $ 7,500
Merchandising advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000
Publishing advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000
Record sales: 250,000 @ $12 =
$3,000,000
Gross retail revenue Royalty: [13% of 90% of retail]:
$ 351,000
Less advance: $ 250,000
Producer's points: [3% less $50,000 advance]:
$ 40,000
Promotional budget: $ 25,000
Recoupable buyout from previous label: $ 50,000
Net royalty: $ -14,000
Record company income:

Record wholesale price: $6.50 x 250,000 =
$1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties: $ 14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution: @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Gross profit: $ 7l0,000

The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.

Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25

The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 million dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month. The next album will be about the same, except that the record company will insist they spend more time and money on it. Since the previous one never "recouped," the band will have no leverage, and will oblige. The next tour will be about the same, except the merchandising advance will have already been paid, and the band, strangely enough, won't have earned any royalties from their T-shirts yet. Maybe the T-shirt guys have figured out how to count money like record company guys. Some of your friends are probably already this fucked

plastician · Post by **plastician** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:18 pm

well done to them. They've earned it. So much hate on this forum, its quite sad.

rhea · Post by **rhea** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:33 pm

dubstee wrote: Not sure about Benga/Skream, but I guarantee you Mala would turn down Mercury.

Where's that link to Kryptic Minds/Loefah interview when you need it

I think sometimes people forget that it's not always about making money and selling units: integrity is a far far superior (and harder) quality to have

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:52 pm

i'm not surprised, and don't care a great deal. however, the fact that eastern jam is still being played at dubstep nights gives me the horrible feeling that anything equally disposable they release in future may be rinsed also.
they've made a couple of tunes that i still enjoy, and i respect their technical ability to produce, but other than more imitation dance music popping up on the radio making me want to die it's no biggie with me.

still, eastern jam, wheres my money, etc trigger an instant cigarette break for me if they're dropped, and really, the less tunes like that, the better. oh well, food on the table innit.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:41 pm

i don't understand why some people are so bothered about C+S on mercury ..and not at all fussed that EMI published 'Skream!' in 2006 or is there a massive difference in the involvement?

contra88 · Post by **contra88** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:50 pm

pozzoli wrote: I've always found their music to be a bit generic to be honest. I can't think of anything original about any of their tunes, they just seem to hit the right tone at the right time with a high production standard.

What about tracks like Wizard Killa, Rowdy Time, Glitch, The Grudge, & Stand Off? Those tracks aren't clones, they're some of my favourite DNB tracks of all time. Those tracks are a good example of how much they've changed over tha years.

Props to them though, big ups to anyone making money off the thing they love doing!

dubplate · Post by **dubplate** » Sat May 23, 2009 3:10 pm

big up, they will not be the new pendulum, one of the best in the dnb world and some sick dubstep too

good luck for them.

dubstee · Post by **dubstee** » Sat May 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Plastician wrote:well done to them. They've earned it. So much hate on this forum, its quite sad.

I normally agree with you, but regardless of what I think of their music I just don't see how this is something to be congratulated about.

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