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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by magma » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:39 am

RandoRando wrote:i Always though that blackholes if you were able to survive one, are wormholes to go back in time ..i dont know how to explain this

like that philosophical thought, seeing as light takes a year to travel a light year. if we put a giant mirror 50 light years away (big enough to see from earth) would we see the relfection of the earth 50 years ago? (not counting the time it takes the light to reflect back)
Theoretically, yeah, but you'd have to wait 50 years after you put it there for the first light to return and, given that we haven't got telescopes even close to good enough to pick out planets from that sort of distance, it'd be fairly futile... you'd get a reflection of an awful lot of the milky way.. you'd be able to see the Sun as if it were a much more distant star.

That's not really a philisophical thought, it's more a physics one.

I'd suggest reading some Stephen Hawking if you want to try and get your head around blackholes... nobody really knows at this stage, but wormhole to the past is probably one of the least likely options. Wormhole to another universe or another point in time/space within ours still gets thrown around. Of course, it might well turn out that the singularity is a failure of our current thinking rather than a real phenomenon... a lot quietly expect an as-yet unconsidered rule will mean that "infinite" mass can never be achieved.

Either way, I doubt we'll ever be able to pass through one to find out. We're so terribly fragile, we definitely can't survive where photons can't. :(
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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by Shum » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:43 am

Randorando is amazed that the sun can be seen in both the UK and parts of tbe US simultaneously. Reading Stephen Hawking might kill him.

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Post by magma » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:48 am

Shum wrote:Randorando is amazed that the sun can be seen in both the UK and parts of tbe US simultaneously. Reading Stephen Hawking might kill him.
I have a futile hope that he might use some of his unbounded curiosity to take on some actual knowledge rather than just remembering what some stoners wrote on the Internet.

I know... :lol:
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Post by youthful_implants » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:04 am

Hypefiend wrote:
RandoRando wrote:whats on the other side of a black hole.
nothing.
well supposedly there is everything and nothing at the same time, although time itself ceases to mean anything because the space time curvature has become infinite, so essentially what you have is a singularity, with a quantum signature completely unique. Could be god on the other end, smeared from infinity, could be a different universe entirely.
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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by RandoRando » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:46 pm

youthful_implants wrote:
Hypefiend wrote:
RandoRando wrote:whats on the other side of a black hole.
nothing.
well supposedly there is everything and nothing at the same time, although time itself ceases to mean anything because the space time curvature has become infinite, so essentially what you have is a singularity, with a quantum signature completely unique. Could be god on the other end, smeared from infinity, could be a different universe entirely.
and thats what amazes me about astronomy
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Post by magma » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:57 pm

RandoRando wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:
Hypefiend wrote:
RandoRando wrote:whats on the other side of a black hole.
nothing.
well supposedly there is everything and nothing at the same time, although time itself ceases to mean anything because the space time curvature has become infinite, so essentially what you have is a singularity, with a quantum signature completely unique. Could be god on the other end, smeared from infinity, could be a different universe entirely.
and thats what amazes me about astronomy
"Not satisfied by humanity's efforts to plot and understand the heavens to such a degree that they can pinpoint the existance of planets invisible to the eye, Rando finally conceded he was 'amazed' when a bloke mentioned something about existence being a bit like The Matrix."
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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by badger » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:21 pm

semi related but a load of UFO files have just been released

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

obviously "UFO" doesn't necessarily equate to aliens

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Post by nowaysj » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:12 pm

Interesting article about NASA's revised priorities in space:

http://chestkittens.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... ssion.html
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Post by _boring » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:24 pm

a black hole is not a hole its an object.
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Post by deadly_habit » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:01 pm

actually no one knows wtf a black hole is, or dark matter

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Post by Mr Hyde » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:03 pm

deadly habit wrote:actually no one knows wtf a black hole is, or dark matter
Secret Ninjas do, and they laugh in the face of people that haven't googled a response.

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Post by jugo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:09 pm

-boring wrote:a black hole is not a hole its an object.
i thought it was a singularity - a point of infinite density and infinite mass. more of an extreme disruption of spacetime than an actual object?

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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by youthful_implants » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:24 pm

magma wrote:
RandoRando wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:
Hypefiend wrote:
RandoRando wrote:whats on the other side of a black hole.
nothing.
well supposedly there is everything and nothing at the same time, although time itself ceases to mean anything because the space time curvature has become infinite, so essentially what you have is a singularity, with a quantum signature completely unique. Could be god on the other end, smeared from infinity, could be a different universe entirely.
and thats what amazes me about astronomy
"Not satisfied by humanity's efforts to plot and understand the heavens to such a degree that they can pinpoint the existance of planets invisible to the eye, Rando finally conceded he was 'amazed' when a bloke mentioned something about existence being a bit like The Matrix."
:lol: [disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about either.]
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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by hifi » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:37 am

deadly habit wrote:actually no one knows wtf a black hole is, or dark matter
how about anti matter? or is that just from a video game i played

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Post by firky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:40 am

Was listening to BBC World Service the other night at work and there was a short bit on ghosties and things. Anyway, this one woman rang in, from Gosforth of all places and she rang in with this tale:

Just married and moved into their first house in Gosforth. Old lady had lived their all her life before she died. They moved in and started a family. Sometimes her husband used to say he 'felt' the old lady still in the house and not in a threatening way. Family grows up a little bit and their son spends lots of time in his bedroom learning to play the guitar. They buy him a tape cassette recorder to sing into and record himself playing - the kid was only six or seven.

Parents listen to their child's tape recording and notice he's singing an old song they haven't heard him sing before. So they turn it up and in the background they could hear an elderly ladies voice singing along with him :D

No explanation. Tape was sent off to uni etc.

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Post by hifi » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:05 am

what's on the other side of the universe? what if we could travel faster than the speed of expansion of the universe what would we see?

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Post by youthful_implants » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:14 am

firky wrote:Was listening to BBC World Service the other night at work and there was a short bit on ghosties and things. Anyway, this one woman rang in, from Gosforth of all places and she rang in with this tale:

Just married and moved into their first house in Gosforth. Old lady had lived their all her life before she died. They moved in and started a family. Sometimes her husband used to say he 'felt' the old lady still in the house and not in a threatening way. Family grows up a little bit and their son spends lots of time in his bedroom learning to play the guitar. They buy him a tape cassette recorder to sing into and record himself playing - the kid was only six or seven.

Parents listen to their child's tape recording and notice he's singing an old song they haven't heard him sing before. So they turn it up and in the background they could hear an elderly ladies voice singing along with him :D

No explanation. Tape was sent off to uni etc.

*shrug*
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Re: Aliens, ghosts etc

Post by youthful_implants » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:15 am

Hypefiend wrote:what's on the other side of the universe? what if we could travel faster than the speed of expansion of the universe what would we see?
you'd see it shrinking. theory is (theory of entropy I think) that it can only expand for so long and then it will contract again meaning eventually it will disappear.

I'd rather listen to this tbh

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