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slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:23 pm

Parson wrote:this is all supported by concepts brought up in quantum physics, such as the classic double slit experiment, and entanglement.

You are aware that only one of quite a lot of possible interpretations of quantum allows consciousness any role whatsoever in affecting reality, that that interpretation has no experimental basis, and that the effect that even that interpretation allows is so limited that afaik noone's managed to think of a practicable way of testing whether it happens or not?

If it allowed for telepathy or psychokinesis then scientists would already have ruled it out because they don't believe that telepathy or psychokinesis occur. And if psychokinesis does occur then consciousness induced wavefunction collapse is going to go out of the window along with the Copenhagen Interpretation, Many Worlds and every other interpretation of quantum, because quantum itself will be screwed.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:25 pm

science says a lot of stuff

i say different stuff

here's a book
http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Physics-Explo ... 325&sr=8-3

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:30 pm

Parson wrote:you should start another thread about your beliefs, if you think only 1% of wha collier is saying is true.
i'm not trying to spend lots of time arguing about little points about how many children get eaten and how many it takes to satiate an alien. there is a much bigger forest you're missing because you are fixated on some bacteria on a fungus.

if you want to know more about collier's testimony, you can read Gods of Eden. i found a pdf on the internet if you wanna read it.

i have personally experienced very intense telepathy. both with humans and with extra terrestrials. it is very manageable with humans. with ETs, it is very disorienting. like broadband internet plugged into a commodore 64.

I don't understand how on one level you are very intelligent yet on another your response to someone not agreeing is the same as a kid starting a thread about his favourite emo band and people saying they're not very good..he would say...'if you don't like em don't post in this thread'

the thing is I have a view on what you posted...this is a forum..for debate

You can't expect to post something and for no-one to disagree with it...you frequently pop into someone elses thread to say something derogatory or claim the superior opinion..

how exactly is this any better or worse than that?

If the little details are not there within someones thesis I think these are worth bringing up yes....It is often indicative of other things they may get wrong...It is crucial that we scrutinize everything including the people going against the government...to not is just as illogical as blindly following the status quo...

I found the video interesting and sat through all 2 hours of it....and you try and tell me my view isn't welcome because I am not as enlightened as you...you are no more enlightened than anyone..no less either...so at least we are all equal yeah?

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:31 pm

i'm not going to debate with you.

i know you have that mind state. you want to debate.

ain't gonna happen.

you can either listen, or don't

my experiences are not up for debate.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:34 pm

Parson wrote:i'm not going to debate with you.

i know you have that mind state. you want to debate.

ain't gonna happen.

you can either listen, or don't

my experiences are not up for debate.

scrutiny is a better word

if you're scared of scrutiny then I'll leave you be..

shame though...It's an interesting subject but you seem to expect people to swallow it whole or be damned

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:34 pm

scrutinize all you want. but make sure you've absorbed ALL of the material before you start asking questions that are answered later.

like i said it is a very big picture. you're missing the forest for the bacteria on the fungus.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:35 pm

Parson wrote:science says a lot of stuff

i say different stuff

So you're going to quote science when you can misinterpret it to fit your preconceived world view and make it sound like there's a rational basis for what you're saying.

But ditch it the moment it inconveniently disagrees with the stuff you want to believe.

Fair enough.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:35 pm

i'm not twisting your arm to read this thread.

i have had experiences, and i find sources that explain them.
sometimes it goes along with accepted science, sometimes it is fringe science, and sometimes it is things that there are not even words for.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:38 pm

it is fascinating how personally offended people get by having somebody around whose belief system challenges their paradigm.

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:38 pm

PASS THE SHALLOTS DARLINGS

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 pm

i'm not being aggressive to anybody. i'm not trying to change anybody's beliefs. i'm not attacking or accusing, or preaching.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 pm

Parson wrote:it is fascinating how personally offended people get by having somebody around whose belief system challenges their paradigm.

Whose getting offended?

I'm merely asking a few questions & showing some interest but your world view is such that no-one is ever on your level...

I think you're offended whenever questioned..

I think somethings out there but I'm not so sure you or him have the faintest idea what it is...

It's generally the same kinds of people that buy into this stuff and tell everyone how wrong they are

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:43 pm

i'm not offended when questioned. i'm offended when i say i'm not arguing, and then the thread is filled up with people who want to argue.

you could have learned a whole lot in this time, but instead you just wanna pick at details.
this happens again and again.

leave it alone. if you don't want to believe it, then carry on with your life PLEASE.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:45 pm

there are countless threads on this forum where you can argue with people.

if you have such a problem with this one and with me and the way i interact, then PLEASE FIND ANOTHER THREAD TO READ.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:48 pm

Parson wrote:i'm not offended when questioned. i'm offended when i say i'm not arguing, and then the thread is filled up with people who want to argue.

you could have learned a whole lot in this time, but instead you just wanna pick at details.
this happens again and again.

leave it alone. if you don't want to believe it, then carry on with your life PLEASE.

but people are always going to disagree with you if they feel so inclined...you surely knew this before posting the thread..has this ever not been the case....I posted about some food i cooked the other day and even that had a disagreement...I didn't tell them to gtfo though..

I am genuinely interested hence i watched the video all the way through and though about what he was saying and came to my own conclusions based on what i saw...you can always see more but I am entitled to an opinion..

You are quashing my interest with your response...

maybe you want to be the only one?

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:50 pm

this is not going anywhere.

oddfellow · Post by **oddfellow** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:54 pm

Parson wrote:i'm not offended when questioned. i'm offended when i say i'm not arguing, and then the thread is filled up with people who want to argue.

you could have learned a whole lot in this time, but instead you just wanna pick at details.
this happens again and again.

leave it alone. if you don't want to believe it, then carry on with your life PLEASE.

As your bringing this info I think you should be prepared to at least discuss it with people. If all anyone wants to do is argue then fuck it but you shouldn't just ignore people when they're asking you to clarify points.

My personal view is that everyone on this planet has some dearly held beliefs which are completely wrong but yet they will live their lives by. I include myself in this. Its only by finding out that you are wrong that progression can be made.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:57 pm

nobody is wrong.

and at the same time everybody is wrong.

everybody has lessons that need to be learned, and we all will get to them when we are good and ready.

debate is the least effective form of communication ever developed.
its only function is to make people get caught up in the act of arguing. people win debates. not truth.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:59 pm

Parson wrote:nobody is wrong.

and at the same time everybody is wrong.

everybody has lessons that need to be learned, and we all will get to them when we are good and ready.

you always manage to find a way to disagree yet claim everyone just wants to argue with you..

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:01 pm

just let it go. let it go let it go let it go.

find another thread.

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