Toooo many Un-original "producers" in dubstep

[FSTZ1]

give 'em da clamps

bitches don't know bout the robot mafia

I'm in

[Pistonsbeneath]

the problem is there is this concept of a dubtep noah of arch and people feel like the boat is gonna leave the dock soon so whether they are ready or not they have gotta get as much people as possible hear there music or ill be left behind. first impressions is alot so if u let the mass hear the raw material before its toned up their opinion of u is hard to shake and may for years even though u have vastly improved not listen to ur stuff when they see ur name.

totally agree. good music always gets through...always.
the question is how much work and how long a graft are you willing to go through to get your name out there? what are you bringing to the table thats different and stands out? a lot of people just want to sit at home and click buttons on myspace/fcbk and think that they'll be sensations by the morning with worldwide acceptance. that can happen for maybe 3 or 4 people out of 1000...but 98% of the others won't be that lucky.

these trains of thought don't really work....

make demo tunes>send these tunes to the biggest dubstep labels on myspace(even though you've not met any of those people in real life or even tried to establish a relationship...just "here's my cdr. listen to it")

make demo tunes>send them to all the big dj's calling it "the most gangster shit you've ever heard" in the email while eating a bowl of soup and wearing knives and bandannas on your myspace.

this is better...

make tunes>send them to friends>get feedback>more work on them>send them to a local dj to see its response in a local club while you're there watching>refine tunes some more>send tunes to one specific big name dj that plays a similar sounding style>see if you get feedback>if not, send to another big name dj>go to parties. go meet people and drink with them. if you don't live near a big party, get a job and get your shit together.

most people are lazy, straight up.

sure that's all true but where does that tie in to people's originality lacking?


and surely the above statement goes against having your own sound?

don't get me wrong I hate generic bullshit as much as the next person but it is ultimately subjective and I like some wobble tracks and some deep tracks as well as some dark tracks...i'm sure we all do but maybe not all the same ones..

The new caspa cd is fucking terrible imho but i played it at work today late (i work in hmv) to sell it and someone loved it and did...

there is also a fraternity of dubstep now that is very hard to break into by doing it the hard and morally correct way...i have a friend that i swear is incredible but he still has nothing released..

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this thread hit ten pages!?

[seckle]

sure that's all true but where does that tie in to people's originality lacking?


and surely the above statement goes against having your own sound?

very very very few people are completely original. those that are, have taken a very long time experimenting with their sound and what they want to say with it.

i've had a discussion recently with a really big dnb producer. he's someone that everyone would know instantly, and he was saying to me that "i make about 5 tunes a year. over the course of 12 months, i refine those tunes and even delete a few. if i feel that one or two of those five tunes has a life of its own i'll test it out some night. the others noone will hear. they haven't lived enough yet."

you have to let others tell you you're original.

[soundbwoy]

also you don't have to be especially original, you just have to be quality - you don't have to be blatantly different or whatever, but you gotta at least have a mature sound and VERY VERY GOOD PRODUCTION. theres an art in perfecting a form

[_boring]

tru seckle.

this is better...

make tunes>send them to friends>get feedback>more work on them>send them to a local dj to see its response in a local club while you're there watching>refine tunes some more>send tunes to one specific big name dj that plays a similar sounding style>see if you get feedback>if not, send to another big name dj>go to parties. go meet people and drink with them. if you don't live near a big party, get a job and get your shit together.

dubstep HAS to be a local thing before its a worldwide thing unless you are in the middle of nowhere.

and to me as an FM radio DJ, id rather only deal with local dubstep as much as possible. it was, and always has been a local sound. then it went global kinda, and its taking it a minute to die to down back to a more local thing maybe because only a small amount of people elsewhere besides london bristol nyc LA san fran got into it, and its taking time to build on the local level. people just need to relax and let the music speak for itself! let people release what they want, if its shat its shat! and if the djs dont play it, you wont hear it!

[Pistonsbeneath]

also you don't have to be especially original, you just have to be quality - you don't have to be blatantly different or whatever, but you gotta at least have a mature sound and VERY VERY GOOD PRODUCTION. theres an art in perfecting a form

for the record i don't think good music needs to be original...i was merely stating that this thread was about unoriginality and i thought seckle appeared to be agreeing but then i thought made a statement that went against this ethos

i don't get stuff like mount kimble or caspas new lp

[bellybelle]

strange.....because there is a problem with all this "originality"

if you're too original, you don't get heard.
if you're unoriginal, you don't get heard.

so when people say you need to be original, they're really saying, "Be original enough that based on what I'm listening to, its different....but not different enough to alienate me while I listen to it."


Be a bit more fair here.....you don't necessarily want originality. You want originality within a box. Originality within the set of parameters you are comfortable with. Because too original gets you as many props as the formulaic ones get.

I mean what was that quote....something about you'll know when you're original because you'll have to ram it down peoples throats....isn't that a sig here? Doesn't that say something about the fickle relationship with originality?

Make what you want. Listen to what you want. If you don't like it, move on.

[Pistonsbeneath]

strange.....because there is a problem with all this "originality"

if you're too original, you don't get heard.
if you're unoriginal, you don't get heard.

so when people say you need to be original, they're really saying, "Be original enough that based on what I'm listening to, its different....but not different enough to alienate me while I listen to it."


Be a bit more fair here.....you don't necessarily want originality. You want originality within a box. Originality within the set of parameters you are comfortable with. Because too original gets you as many props as the formulaic ones get.

I mean what was that quote....something about you'll know when you're original because you'll have to ram it down peoples throats....isn't that a sig here? Doesn't that say something about the fickle relationship with originality?

Make what you want. Listen to what you want. If you don't like it, move on.

tru say bellybelle

[seckle]

dubstep HAS to be a local thing before its a worldwide thing

+1.

thats grassroots thinking. thats community thinking. you can't go wrong if you think like that.

[_boring]

strange.....because there is a problem with all this "originality"

if you're too original, you don't get heard.
if you're unoriginal, you don't get heard.

so when people say you need to be original, they're really saying, "Be original enough that based on what I'm listening to, its different....but not different enough to alienate me while I listen to it."


Be a bit more fair here.....you don't necessarily want originality. You want originality within a box. Originality within the set of parameters you are comfortable with. Because too original gets you as many props as the formulaic ones get.

I mean what was that quote....something about you'll know when you're original because you'll have to ram it down peoples throats....isn't that a sig here? Doesn't that say something about the fickle relationship with originality?

Make what you want. Listen to what you want. If you don't like it, move on.

BIG time