Rollin Rinse FM Dusk + Blackdown thread

[Muncey]

cant we all just go back to 2003 and pretend this all never happened?

[jsml]

This was the best thread on here. Why is it becoming some sort of shitstorm?

Keysound will continue to impress, they always do. You'll see.... I wonder whats next? Would love a bit of Mista Men or E.m.m.a or even more LHF! and Sully - Rise the Machines Rmx!

Also, when is the next show? I'm getting withdrawls.

[flashharry]

^i hear u don, at least you can form an opinion doe.

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everything i said was relevant and true, l0l @ the people shooting me down and not even bothering to address what i've said. minor, carry on with this mindset towards the stuff you're pushing.

'silly questions and stupid statements' uno, not sure whether this is a forum or not. get more of a discussion off dissensus or gf than on here.

I stopped reading at don.

sorry, i can't understand why you're summoning us to respond to your waffle.

[TopManLurka]

as much as i don't understand why feelings are caught at the term 'dark-130'. lululu.

yet another pointless post from someone.

[flashharry]

as much as i don't understand why feelings are caught at the term 'dark-130'. lululu.

yet another pointless post from someone.

ur a closet fan that's cool

[TopManLurka]

please show me where itt or on this forum where i've said i dislike this sound doe...

perhaps you should have carried on reading PAL. you went full retard within two posts.

[Etches828]

Epoch's jus that dancefloor vampire that'll suck the blood out of any genre and spit it back out in some flurry of evilness

I hear theres some twat turning jungle down 30bpm thinking its new.

Yeah some guy.. "Itchy" or something.

Yeah that ITCH homophobe.. Man needs to sort it out and make trap or something

[blackdown]

E.m.m.a. interview: http://www.fabriclondon.com/blog/view/i ... his-friday

Keysound takeover at Fabric this friday>>>

[distantlights91]

Been really enjoying the Wen/Beneath/Epoch/etc type stuff recently, a lot of it is very similar in style to old school grime and dubstep but I don't know why people are seeing this as a bad thing? I much prefer this to the house styles that are popular in clubs atm, which are much more regressive, at least these guys are putting some of their own spin on their sounds. I'd like to see them do some tunes with MCs though, the grime samples in some tunes do give them flavour in the same way that the dancehall samples someone like Coki uses helps the atmosphere in their tunes, but at the same time they hint tantalisingly at what could be achieved with a collaboration with a proper MC (Beneath's Jamakabi remix for example bangs like fuck). Could be a good opportunity for some of the newer MCs like Rival and MIK to stand out from the crowd as well as more experimentally inclined olders like Trim and Flow Dan...

[TopManLurka]

it is very similar in style to old school grime and dubstep but I don't know why people are seeing this as a bad thing?

it's more the ppl trying to pass it off as something new or getting aggy (as we've seen itt) when some-one gives it a term.

(when rly it is just the two genres you mentioned anyway.)

[Geey]

cant we all just go back to 2003 and pretend this all never happened?

please dont cut quotes out of my posts to make them look entirely out of context please.
im a fan of this sound.

read the last 5 pages if you wanna start jumping in threads polling your eyes about everywhere

[TopManLurka]

no-one itt has said anything bad or out of context. come correct plz people.

[distantlights91]

it is very similar in style to old school grime and dubstep but I don't know why people are seeing this as a bad thing?

it's more the ppl trying to pass it off as something new or getting aggy (as we've seen itt) when some-one gives it a term.

(when rly it is just the two genres you mentioned anyway.)

Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. A lot of this stuff could easily fit in with a selection of old school grime/dubstep stuff, though obviously the tempo and production have a more modern vibe... I don't think marketing it as something new is necessarily a negative though, if it encourages more producers to come on a similar dark and raw tip then I'm all for it. Most of the housey/garagey stuff I mentioned earlier that's taken over atm definitely isn't exactly a progressive or new style of music and that's become hugely popular and is developing purely because a lot of people are encountering it for the first time having been too young to rave to the original sounds... I like some of that stuff but I much prefer the dark grimey sound, I'm only 21 (same age as Wen actually I think) so I was much too young to take advantage of the original underground dubstep/grime/sublow stuff, I love it when DJs drop those tunes in clubs but I'm also conscious that now that the old tunes are now seen as an old school sound by many people rather than how they was originally seen as very forward thinking and new... So the idea of a modern take on that grimey music is something that makes me very happy as a music fan and a club goer, already loving the resurgence in grimier sounds that Butterz and Harddrive and the like have been pushing but it can definitely be taken much further (Elijah seems to have the same thoughts inviting Wen onto the Butterz Rinse show for a guest mix recently). Sorry I'm tired so this post is a bit rambling but hopefully you can see what I'm driving at.

[Phigure]

yeah i definitely agree with that

and a +1 to whoever was hoping for some more MC action

[TopManLurka]

it is very similar in style to old school grime and dubstep but I don't know why people are seeing this as a bad thing?

it's more the ppl trying to pass it off as something new or getting aggy (as we've seen itt) when some-one gives it a term.

(when rly it is just the two genres you mentioned anyway.)

Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. A lot of this stuff could easily fit in with a selection of old school grime/dubstep stuff, though obviously the tempo and production have a more modern vibe... I don't think marketing it as something new is necessarily a negative though, if it encourages more producers to come on a similar dark and raw tip then I'm all for it. Most of the housey/garagey stuff I mentioned earlier that's taken over atm definitely isn't exactly a progressive or new style of music and that's become hugely popular and is developing purely because a lot of people are encountering it for the first time having been too young to rave to the original sounds... I like some of that stuff but I much prefer the dark grimey sound, I'm only 21 (same age as Wen actually I think) so I was much too young to take advantage of the original underground dubstep/grime/sublow stuff, I love it when DJs drop those tunes in clubs but I'm also conscious that now that the old tunes are now seen as an old school sound by many people rather than how they was originally seen as very forward thinking and new... So the idea of a modern take on that grimey music is something that makes me very happy as a music fan and a club goer, already loving the resurgence in grimier sounds that Butterz and Harddrive and the like have been pushing but it can definitely be taken much further (Elijah seems to have the same thoughts inviting Wen onto the Butterz Rinse show for a guest mix recently). Sorry I'm tired so this post is a bit rambling but hopefully you can see what I'm driving at.

Cool, you like grime, evidently so. My only qualms with what certain man are trying to do is that both grime and dubstep are on its last leg (grime even more so) and yet it seems like ppl think they're pushing something new just because it's being made at that 130 mark. Take a day off, you're fooling no-one and just hindering those original sounds aforementioned in the process. Ppl would understand what I mean if they actually read my posts itt. I'll just leave this here again doe...

Wen - Spark It

Mondie - Straight

that's very original, never heard that from another individual

[TopManLurka]

@DeniedExistence you weren't rambling btw mate, I get where you're coming from, good post.

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you wouldn't need to ask silly questions and make stupid statements in this thread

sorry, i can't understand why you're summoning us to respond to your waffle.

l0l at these guys doe...

[TGDavies]

As has been said before tho, the early stages of other genres have had close resemblances to previous stuff eg el-b's dubby 2step which could have been seen as just another rehash of garage but emerged as the roots of what became dubstep. The sound people are calling 'dark 130' is a new combination of grime and dubstep but hasnt had time to develope and so bares the distinct hallmarks of where its coming from. And thats why people giving it a name as if its a fully fledged genre , while understandable, seems hasty to me.

I would echo what was said about being too young to enjoy the heydays of dubstep and grime and feeling disillusioned by the 4/4 thats everywhere right now. This stuff appeals to me because i see it as a new take on what i missed out on, which may or may not emerge as something distinct . It doesnt need its own dubious label to be seen as an attempt to move forward.

[Lye_Form]

Seems like everyone is over thinking it.

Basically its a bunch of people writing music they want to taking influences from whatever they like & linked by it being music dusk and blackdown like to play. influences are all over the place, Wen largely from grime, Epoch from dubstep, Sully from 2step and jungle, E.M.MA from Microsoft Encarta ’96....

[nclpad]

Seems like everyone is over thinking it.

Basically its a bunch of people writing music they want to taking influences from whatever they like & linked by it being music dusk and blackdown like to play. influences are all over the place, Wen largely from grime, Epoch from dubstep, Sully from 2step and jungle, E.M.MA from Microsoft Encarta ’96....

Yes, it's music that they like to play, and I'm with you on the influences. But don't you think it's important that these sounds now fit into one coherent set? Blackdown has talked about how, in the past, their DJ sets would be much more segmented. Whereas in the past they might have had separate grime, dubstep etc. sections in their mixes, now all of these disparate influences seem to be coming together to form something with a bit more coherence.

Regarding people trying to give it a term, there's been a lot written on this (lot's of it fairly interesting, I'll link it at the bottom) and I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the whole 'to name or not to name' debate. One thing I would say, however, is that 'getting aggy' is totally justified if the term is imposed from the outside rather than generated from within. It's all about ownership, innit?

http://www.dummymag.com/features/2012/0 ... -to-genre/
http://www.postwutchyalike.net/editorial-post-genre/
http://www.postwutchyalike.net/editoria ... enre-pt-2/
http://rougesfoam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... alike.html

There was also a discussion on NTS - https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/58046 ... 6a7dc2d72c

[jsml]

I really hope Blackdown just comes riding into this thread saying Keysound are about to release a really 'colourful' record thats not 130 bpm.

Just to shut everyone up.