UK filesharing : ban rule coming April 2010 to the UK

collige · Post by **collige** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:36 am

Tranquera wrote:If approved in UK... US will follow?

Didn't work for health care, though.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:17 am

Tranquera wrote:If approved in UK... US will follow?

UK Music and RIAA are working together on this one. if its true that the UK government will be involved, its more than likely that the US will adopt some form of this.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:21 am

i hope not too many people get kicked off having been innocent...they always make mistakes and its easy for someone determined to use your ip

bass hertz · Post by **bass hertz** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:43 am

I see the future being full of war drivers. I'm major anti-piracy and artist support driven. Either way... money that's saved from banning sharers will ate up buy the riaa/govt in enforcing the program. It's a pickle, for sure. Hopefully in the future, even mid level artists can get back to making a living from their labors.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:45 am

Piston wrote:i hope not too many people get kicked off having been innocent...they always make mistakes and its easy for someone determined to use your ip

they'll have to warn you first. they can't just go taking broadband away from people. they'll be a system put in place.

claw · Post by **claw** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:18 am

people need to go back to the days where you had to have some real balls to steal music, you had to walk into a store and stick a record under your shirt and hope you didnt get arrested in the process

86. · Post by **86.** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:21 am

claw wrote:people need to go back to the days where you had to have some real balls to steal music, you had to walk into a store and stick a record under your shirt and hope you didnt get arrested in the process

lmao

the best was the 1000s of people pulling this shit on boxing day...where the alarms would go off as people walked through the exit...but it went off every other person so security guards wouldnt bother to stop em

fooishbar · Post by **fooishbar** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:59 am

bandshell wrote:Apparently this is is from Matt Bellamy.

My current opinion is that file sharing is now the norm. This cannot be changed without an attack on perceived civil liberties which will never go down well. The problem is that the ISPs making the extreme profits (due to millions of broadband subscriptions) are not being taxed by the copyright owners correctly and this is a legislation issue. Radio stations and TV stations etc have to pay the copyright owners (both recording and publishing) a fee for using material they do not own. ISPs should have to pay in the same way with a collection agency like PRS doing the monitoring and calculations based on encoded (but freely downloaded) data. Broadband makes the internet essentially the new broadcaster. This is the point which is being missed.

Also, usage should have a value. Someone who just checks email uses minimal bandwidth, but someone who downloads 1 gig per day uses way more, but at the moment they pay the same. It is clear which user is hitting the creative industries and it is clear which user is not, so for this reason, usage should also be priced accordingly. The end result will be a taxed, monitored ISP based on usage which will ensure both the freedom of the consumer and the rights of the artists - the loser will be the ISP who will probably have to increase subscription costs to compensate, but the user will have the freedom to choose between checking a few emails (which will cost far less than a current monthly subscription) and downloading tons of music and film (which will cost probably a bit more than current subscription, but not that much more).

jesus christ, no. it doesn't ensure anyone's freedom. it just means that people who push around large amounts of legitimate data get spanked, and moves us ever closer to old media's ideal of the internet becoming a unicast medium akin to tv and newspapers, instead of the omnicast medium it is today. bad fucking idea.

human? · Post by **human?** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:12 am

soooo not worried. lol..

boomstix · Post by **boomstix** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:54 am

the whole recorded music industry as we know it is only 40 or 50 years old and they act like they have a right to exist and that any change should be stopped.

filesharing is great promo, just like radio used to be. plenty of musicians are still making money performing live as they have done forever. its recorded music sales that's taking a dive.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:47 am

filesharers get two letters, then get their broadband choked. after those three, they're saying permanently blocked.

FAC wrote: "After a three-hour meeting in London, the Featured Artists Coalition, which emerged as a breakaway lobby group in the summer, backed the government's proposed introduction of "technical measures" to combat the rising tide of copyright theft. If they ignore two warning letters, persistent illegal filesharers should have their broadband connections throttled "to a level which would render filesharing of media files impractical while leaving basic email and web access", according to a statement after the meeting.

Earlier in the day, the industry's umbrella group UK Music sent Lord Mandelson, the business secretary, a letter calling for persistent offenders to be given written warnings. As a last resort, the letter added, flagrant offenders should face having their connections suspended."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009 ... ng-twitter

heavy.

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:17 am

this is so, so dumb.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:48 pm

Taxed anything is not free or better, by definition.

I'm personally appauled by having our releases stolen out from under us on the internet and losing out on sales. However, I am MORE appauled by the loss of the freedom to be a total fucking asshole that we now posess online. I'd never give it up without a fight.

asa · Post by **asa** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:59 pm

d1rt1989 wrote:this is so, so dumb.

evil madmen · Post by **evil madmen** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:20 pm

seckle wrote: with gov backing, the US will probably follow.

Im not so sure about that

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:28 pm

Not sure how enforceable this will actually be, and that is the problem. If, and it's a big if, they could get a way of efficiently targeting file sharers to the extent that the problem was eradicated then that would unquestionably be good for music. I guess you could say that any action that scares off some people has merit, but the danger is that innocent people get hit, and it's not like the British government has a good track record with IT.

Don't buy the argument that everyone does it so the industry has to live with it - the bottom line is that it's stealing.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:53 pm

paulie wrote:Don't buy the argument that everyone does it so the industry has to live with it - the bottom line is that it's stealing.

I'm with you on the bottom line that it is stealing, but I would raise that line ever so slightly above the notion that no Federal Government should EVER meddle in private business. In America if I walk into a store and steal a CD off the shelf, I am ONLY banned from that store, not all stores. And it is never the job of the government to protect private interests. It is your responsibility, Paulie, to be online fighting thiefs. I'm 1000% against stealing our tunes, but you won't find me asking the government to protect MY private interests. --- end direct message to Paulie

--- begin general response: I've yet to find a torrent tracker that didn't immediately remove our copyrighted material upon request. All I have to do is go and google them, and email the owner/or pm a mod on the site and it will be down. Most people who are filesharing actually do maintain the false belief that they are helping you. They are crazy, but it is still what they really believe. But you wouldn't allow the government to design your logo or schedule your releases, so why should they be protecting us from stealing?

Watermark your dubs, get a friend to google your releases each day and the names of various music trackers, hit the first 10 pages. Give them a couple copies of each new release when it comes out as payment. Aside from Russian websites and torrent trackers that I am watching closely(because I know they aren't heavy traffic sites), all the links get taken down that way.

Go out and look for STNSN002 on a torrent tracker, rapidshare, direct connect, IRC, etc... you won't find it(granted I haven't looked in a few weeks for 002). It was there, but only for about 5 minutes until we manned up and dealt with it. Saying that it's too big a problem for us to deal with ourselves is a copout. I take them down all the time. Yes, they pop back up... yes you have to take them back down. But major trackers can block content with certain known quantities... like your label name, artist names, etc... and they do, because not all of them are like TPB and care about being sued.

skape · Post by **skape** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:20 pm

I might be all alone on this but I am glad they are doing something to combat piracy. I've been producing music for 11 years now and I've watched it go from something you can make a living off of to, you are lucky if you can pay your bar tab with that. People that create music - whether they're an engineer, songwriter, producer, musician, rapper - what ever - they should be compensated. Back in the day, music lovers would budget $$ for buying albums, nowadays kids are like- fuckit, download that shit - or even - lemme download this artists entire catalog real quick. And spend their money else where.
my 2 cents.

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:50 pm

I wonder how they'd be able to enforce this for people who just log in through other peoples unlocked routers, how cAN they block your broadband if ur not paying for it in the first place?

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:53 pm

Whenever one places an agenda above the people it is meant to serve, no matter how noble the intentions, he then ventures off of the ground of freedom and liberty and into the region of totalitarianism and authoritarianism. If one holds the fundamental belief that the people need the government to "take care of" them, to "protect" them, to "regulate" them and to "enforce" morality, agendas and ideals, then he will always revert back to his particular party of choice. The fact is, that while we must have laws to address fraud, abuse and corruption, the less government we have the more liberty we will possess.

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