Guardian Article - Completely misses the point

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:14 pm

You know it's funny, some things he said I kinda agree with, the crazy hype behind the Burial (which I rate) and Skream (which I don't) albums was kinda bizarre in my opinion. however you can blatantly see this guy has got an agenda with this article, he is cussing down Dubstep from a viewpoint that sounds like he is pissed off Dubstep is taking too much of the limelight from Grime. Personally I don't think there has been a genre defining album for Dubstep yet, begrudgingly I would agree with him, but as already stated that's not the focus of the music.

It's annoying and depressing when someone who obviuosly does know about the scene with some decent knowledge decides to cuss such a fledgling genre down because of his own personal interests.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:17 pm

Surely the big question is whether albums are necessarily indicative of a higher artistry or value than other formats…? And whether that should be the seal of a worthwhile musical movement, especially in this day

The burial thing is a complete value judgement, the key criticism he brings is purely a matter of taste. As far as any objective criteria for a great album could be drawn up, that one ticks the boxes. He may not like it for its ambience, but that doesn’t mean it isnt a great LP (or in fact ‘good’ which is what he’s asking for!).

As has been said, its mainly the tone that gets me. Its disappointing, cos I love Big Dada, but this guy sounds like a nob, like ‘yeh im controversial and forward-thinking…so ahead of the curve’.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:21 pm

Thats is great writting

batfink · Post by **batfink** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:08 pm

the comments about dubstep albums seem a bit strange. After all there are only about two or three drum and bass albums that were actually any good as albums (timeless, black secret tech... i cant think of anymore) . The rest suffered from 12-dancefloor-smashers-in-a-row-itis...... but on the other hand isn't that what you want from a dance music album?

most albums of dance music are a bit dull imo, and verging upon the irrelevant. Does anyone sit down and listen to a CD from start to finish anymore? I'd rather hear a good DJ set from Youngsta, N-Type, Joe nice, DMZ or Loefah and have all the good tunes mashed up together.

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:14 pm

boomnoise wrote:everyone's entitled to their opinions.
i would care less about someone slagging it if they got all their facts straight.

my thoughts too!

this article really pisses me off especially this personal comment, that come across as more of a 'fact' ..... bollox

'production barely distinguishes itself from the muddy homogeneity that Dubstep as a genre is increasingly falling prey to'

ARGH!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:26 pm

The guy is a no-name journalist trying to write "controversial" comment. Ignore him - he hasn't even bothered to check his facts.

The fact that dubstep can even warrant a comment piece in The Guardian is a testament to how far the scene has come in 18 months - and that's no thanks to The Guardian or this journalist.

And as for grime albums, most of their efforts have been focused on artist or label based "mixtape" CDs, which aren't actually actually mixed: they're albums in all but name and there are hundreds of them, tens of which are incredible (Aim High 2, Doctor's mixtape, Roll Deep's Creeper Vol 1, True Tiger, Guns n Roses 1, Best of Newham Generals etc etc). Of course journalists dont get sent these by PR companies for free, so you can lazily say "there are no good grime albums."

Of course the person who has released more good mix albums and albums is Wiley, who's just signed to Big Dada. Perhaps Jamie wont be so quick to slag that album off when it drops or to throw mud at FWD when his label's new signing was involved in a fight live on radio this weekend. Investigate that crime scene!

*grand* · Post by ***grand*** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:49 pm

i say we get this guy take him to dubpressure and stick him inside the bassbin with no ear plugs!

paolo · Post by **paolo** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:58 pm

'a focus for bored hype mongers'? the man's an arse

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:12 pm

Batfink wrote:the comments about dubstep albums seem a bit strange. After all there are only about two or three drum and bass albums that were actually any good as albums (timeless, black secret tech... i cant think of anymore) .

there's only one good punk album - never mind the bollocks. the clash never released a thoroughly good album imo, and they're my favourite band of all time. go figure.

lol at them running out of grime puns - 'grime scene investigation', 'grime doesn't pay', where's 'grime wave'?!

@blackdown, thanks for reminding me of the true tiger album. haven't listened to that in ages! so gorgeous

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:27 pm

'With too many special effects, and not enough that's really special, the days of dubstep are numbered'

'has simply found itself a focus for bored hype-mongers.'

'production barely distinguishes itself from the muddy homogeneity that Dubstep as a genre is increasingly falling prey to.'

'I'm going to be a bit mean about dubstep.'

fool SHUT YA MOUT!!!

im so mad at this guy, chattin undiluted shit.

and this...
'he failed to reproduce the addictive melodic brilliance of Midnight Request Line'

COLOURFUL, KUT OFF ? ? If thats not melodic and brilliant i dont kno what is!

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:28 pm

im gonna stop reading it now!

for my own health

grrrr

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:37 pm

LOL cussed.

amusing article.

titchyschneider · Post by **titchyschneider** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:39 pm

hes right about it being like the new trip hop though

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:47 pm

he's not

there are points of comparison but like any such analogies, its just lazy journalism which indicates a simplicity of analysis

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:50 pm

In a pub somewhere...
Man1: Hey, did any of you read that guardian article on dubstep?
Others: no
Man1: Oh.
*Buys Drink*
Man1: Weathers nice today...

titchyschneider · Post by **titchyschneider** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:56 pm

elgato wrote:he's not

there are points of comparison but like any such analogies, its just lazy journalism which indicates a simplicity of analysis

course
but at the same time there is a strong element of truth to the comparison about it being like trip hop
its stoner music

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:00 pm

titchyschneider wrote:its stoner music

aa doont smooke the reefa (well, very rarely)

but i loves dubstep

titchyschneider · Post by **titchyschneider** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:02 pm

its stoner music whether you smoke or not
i dont do weed either but i like stoner music also
it feels stonerish even if youre sober

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:04 pm

ah i see sorry i misunderstood

it is sometimes, it isnt others, i just think it oversimplifies things and i dont see the point in that

titchyschneider · Post by **titchyschneider** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm

yeah
true
sometimes it isnt
but theres a few too many times when it is like that
and thats a shame
i hate the rhythmically dead dubstep
those tracks are dead from the waist down
dont see the appeal
and i think cos thats what a lot of dubstep fans (esp new ones) like about it, thats whats gonna get made more
its gonna end up being corny dance music for potheads
all dubstep needs is a label like mo wax

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