Advanced Bass Techniques

[corpu5]

why is everyone so obsessed with layering tons of parts and using tons of fx plugs?? why not just get a sound that you're happy with from the beginning? this attitude of more more more just complicates things

It's one of the ways you can push the boundries of sound....innit.

[silentk]

i dont think its down to which sound you think is superior, its just down to what sound your aiming for, if you want a big fat meaty sound, then layering is the way forward, but if you want a more stripped down sound, jus a couple of oscalators will do. there are certain sounds that are only acheivable by layering and resampling and that is the magic of working within a digital DAW, being able to re process and re process a sound until it sounds nothing like it did when you first bounced it out of the synth.

it's all about what is appropriate for the track you are working on. I love the more stripped down minimalistic feel of just a few choice percussion sounds and a deep sub line, or a very simple bassline and a melody. but then i love skanking out to some disgustingly distorted midbass wobbles, its all about what is apropriate to the feel your going for, and experimenting with new sounds, and how to incorporate new ways of working into what you are already happy with.

further your production through new methods, its easy to get stuck in your ways, and ignore what is going on around you. embrace the new, and incorporate it with the old

[narcissus]

hmm.. yes. i used to add a TON of effects to the sounds i had, but after a while it became the default to me. i didn't have a lot of control over what was actually going in the sound..
but i can get a f**kin DIRTY wobbler with just an FM synth and a distortion unit..

i think it is very important to keep doing new things... just know that adding effects isn't the only way to vary the sound of your music. you can also vary the MUSIC itself.

[silentk]

im not saying its the only way, but is A way.

i agree that after a while of adding a shit load off effects it starts to sound like shit, but its all about the end product.
there are obviously a plethora of different ways to acheive various sounds, and it's about embracing these various methods, then chopping and changing to suit our preference, taking a little from here, a little from there, and combing it all into a sound that works for you, that you are happy with.

i'll say it again, im not trying to champion this sound, im not sayin its the way forward, not by a long a way, but im saying that there is something to be learnt from it, that some methods posted in this thread can be adapted and combined with your existing methods into something new and interesting.

[narcissus]

i'm not arguing. i agree. it obviously works for you, and hopefully many new producers who will be reading this.

i, however, will be developing my sound in a way truer to myself..

[silentk]

and good luck with, no sarcasm intended, i love seeing/hearing people with completley different methods from myself

[deadly_habit]

emulation is a way forward to developing your own sound and learning synthesis, signal chain and fx processing. it's when you carbon copy someone or expect a purely engineered sound and explanation from someone who it took hrs to engineer that sound that generic stuff comes out. be innovative, just because you can engineer a sound like someone you like doesn't mean you're using in a unique way. there are assloads of guys out there who can engineer like mad, mixdown great compress their kicks have a crisp sound , but write the most generic bland tunes with no originality. food for thought.

[silentk]

im all for using real musical techniques in your composition, creating something that works musicaly, proper melodic composition. but i believe the true magic happens when this is combined with great engineering skills. combining a good knowledge of music theory and music technology. it's when you just focus on the technology that that the big bland generic dog rears it's ugly head. there has to be something musical going on in order to make your compositions interesting. look how nuts everyone went when skream put a key change into the chorus of midnight request line. musicality is what sets a good tune apart from a truly great one.
I need some sleep

[morigami]

why is everyone so obsessed with layering tons of parts and using tons of fx plugs?? why not just get a sound that you're happy with from the beginning? this attitude of more more more just complicates things

Because sometimes you hear something that sounds like your foundation; it sounds good but it isn't quite there yet. A vst or a re-sample is the job to get it sounding just right, a few mil' on attack or 30% of distortion. It might just be a little bit of modulation or a fook load of distortion/delay/reverb/chorus/skream etc etc ek fucking etc. Inch or a mile, it's worth the effort

Little bit drunk, excuse me please. Xmas season n all that

[thekrisisisperception]

do you guy usually do the FX-chain processing before or after the lfo automation and sequencing?

[netrik]

I usually load up albino 3 make a beefy patch with multiple octaves and automate as much stuff as possible. then load tons of distortion, phaser's, flangers, delay, and a little chorus and automate tons of shit on all those. then bounce down a single note and load into kontakt and mix with other bass sounds ive made via eq and filter's then repeat with all the effects. sometimes I also add some other synth's to it for the sub or just some random sounds to give it character. then maybe bounce that, mix with other sounds, add effects, filters, timestreching, reversing, chopping up, pitch bending.... etc.. etc.. until something im happy with comes out:)

[Depone]

Knowing what each effect does to your sound along the chain is must. rarely i will add an effect that i dont know how its going sound.

saying this, experimentation is a big part of the sound, but a clever thought-put will yield greater clearer results

[Seda]

Money thread, this forum has been pushing my understanding and skills forward since the day I started reading the production section.

- Props to Datsik, its good to see the big names still care.

[raige]

hey guys, I have a very noob question to ask. I've been trying to get this sound too for awhile. I have massive and logic pro so I know I have the right tools, but how do you go about splitting up your basslines into 3 separate eq's?

[Basic A]

hey guys, I have a very noob question to ask. I've been trying to get this sound too for awhile. I have massive and logic pro so I know I have the right tools, but how do you go about splitting up your basslines into 3 separate eq's?

I just posted a reference to this...

Type "modulating the Reese" into the forum search, youll find a big lengthy one on it...

And haha, biggup the hometown crew man, welcome aboard! What part of the 'burgh you from??

[raige]

hey guys, I have a very noob question to ask. I've been trying to get this sound too for awhile. I have massive and logic pro so I know I have the right tools, but how do you go about splitting up your basslines into 3 separate eq's?

I just posted a reference to this...

Type "modulating the Reese" into the forum search, youll find a big lengthy one on it...

And haha, biggup the hometown crew man, welcome aboard! What part of the 'burgh you from??

much thanks bro! I've been looking for this forever and just had no luck cause I didn't know what to search.

I'm originally from bethel park but I just recently moved down to north carolina. still reppin' the burgh though!

[Basic A]

hey guys, I have a very noob question to ask. I've been trying to get this sound too for awhile. I have massive and logic pro so I know I have the right tools, but how do you go about splitting up your basslines into 3 separate eq's?

I just posted a reference to this...

Type "modulating the Reese" into the forum search, youll find a big lengthy one on it...

And haha, biggup the hometown crew man, welcome aboard! What part of the 'burgh you from??

much thanks bro! I've been looking for this forever and just had no luck cause I didn't know what to search.

I'm originally from bethel park but I just recently moved down to north carolina. still reppin' the burgh though!

Heres a direct link to that btw man...

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=150531

[raige]

hey guys, I have a very noob question to ask. I've been trying to get this sound too for awhile. I have massive and logic pro so I know I have the right tools, but how do you go about splitting up your basslines into 3 separate eq's?

I just posted a reference to this...

Type "modulating the Reese" into the forum search, youll find a big lengthy one on it...

And haha, biggup the hometown crew man, welcome aboard! What part of the 'burgh you from??

much thanks bro! I've been looking for this forever and just had no luck cause I didn't know what to search.

I'm originally from bethel park but I just recently moved down to north carolina. still reppin' the burgh though!

Heres a direct link to that btw man...

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=150531

Yea that's the one I was looking at but for the life of me can't figure out how to do that in massive. I've tried setting the first osc to -24 and the second to -12 but can't figure out what to do after that.

[Basic A]

multiband splitting is when you route the signal from your synth to your mixer, step one...

now forward the signal from that mixer track, out to three parralel ones, so you have the same signal accross 3 mixer slots, make sense?

route each of those, back to a final mixer slot.

now on each of those 3 parralel signals, use either a multiband compressor or an eq curve to mute portions of the signal, so that each parralel mixer track gets its own isolated set of frequencies (sub on one, mid on one, high on one)

now you cant effect each to your liking, making sense?

[raige]

multiband splitting is when you route the signal from your synth to your mixer, step one...

now forward the signal from that mixer track, out to three parralel ones, so you have the same signal accross 3 mixer slots, make sense?

route each of those, back to a final mixer slot.

now on each of those 3 parralel signals, use either a multiband compressor or an eq curve to mute portions of the signal, so that each parralel mixer track gets its own isolated set of frequencies (sub on one, mid on one, high on one)

now you cant effect each to your liking, making sense?

Yea I think I'm starting to get it now after looking around a bit more. this is damn confusing at first but once you understand everything you need to do it's so simple. thanks for all your help man!