hugh wrote:thought that might provoke someone but it is what i genuinely think. There is nothing good about writing your name on the wall, that just makes you a narcissist. I really don't mind proper arty graffitti, theres some great stuff by where I live, where the council sponsored people to properly draw on some walls. They look great and add to the area. Writing ROBBO is just shit, no matter how you do it.
writing 'New Mazda' on a wall doesn't add anything to the area but no-one kicks off about that
Graffing is 'vandalism' 'against society' 'not helping' yet massive fuck off billboards all over the joint get let off the hook. Apparently money gives you free reign to vandalise anywhere you want
i dont remember mentioning that i liked huge advertisements either damo
hugh wrote:someone please explain why writing your name on a wall on the underground is good?
Most tagging is shit, agreed. I hate those little tossers that scratch their name into bus windows and I don't think anyone can defend some of the illegible scrawl you see on bustime tables. Some of it's really good and as capo already said, much better than an advert for Lloyds some 30ft across and illuminated at night
I did my dissertation on "the visual communication inherent in architecture and it's effect on the immediate community" and naturally graffiti came up.
hugh wrote:thought that might provoke someone but it is what i genuinely think. There is nothing good about writing your name on the wall, that just makes you a narcissist. I really don't mind proper arty graffitti, theres some great stuff by where I live, where the council sponsored people to properly draw on some walls. They look great and add to the area. Writing ROBBO is just shit, no matter how you do it.
writing 'New Mazda' on a wall doesn't add anything to the area but no-one kicks off about that
Graffing is 'vandalism' 'against society' 'not helping' yet massive fuck off billboards all over the joint get let off the hook. Apparently money gives you free reign to vandalise anywhere you want
i dont remember mentioning that i liked huge advertisements either damo
oh yeah wasn't directed at you hugh, just got me radging off on a tangent like
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hugh wrote:someone please explain why writing your name on a wall on the underground is good?
If you don't write you won't understand.
Isn't that a bit of a copout? Surely if it's worth doing you can explain why it's worth doing?
I totally get graf when it's beautiful or interesting in some way, I've got a few mates that do pieces in London and they turn out some half decent bits here and there - but the tagging thing (which they all do just as much, if not more than real pieces) I've never understood... just seems like a waste of paint, time and concrete.
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hugh wrote:someone please explain why writing your name on a wall on the underground is good?
If you don't write you won't understand.
Isn't that a bit of a copout? Surely if it's worth doing you can explain why it's worth doing?
I totally get graf when it's beautiful or interesting in some way, I've got a few mates that do pieces in London and they turn out some half decent bits here and there - but the tagging thing (which they all do just as much, if not more than real pieces) I've never understood... just seems like a waste of paint, time and concrete.
tagging is waste. yes. but its part of what graffiti is. People want to build a reputation for their name so that people look out for them, not just because of how prolific they are but to see where their pieces might be. Its also about crews, you might do a throwup and want people to know who your reppin so that if other artists painting in the area they wont tag over yours cause you got rep. Its a signature. Well at least thats what tagging used to be about. I was on a bus a few weeks ago and a bunch of kids got on and started using a scratchy on the window beside the driver where you pay/swipe oyster. That was fucking wrong, kids these days have no respect. Graffiti is all about respect.
Personally Im all for graffiti in the right context. You dont go painting someones house wall or fucking up some historic monument, you paint on concrete obscenities and trains, you paint on bill boards, on roof tops, on disuesed buildings. You add art and colour to an otherwise grey landscape.
Proper graffiti pieces are art, anybody who says otherwise is a chump.
hugh wrote:someone please explain why writing your name on a wall on the underground is good?
If you don't write you won't understand.
Isn't that a bit of a copout? Surely if it's worth doing you can explain why it's worth doing?
I totally get graf when it's beautiful or interesting in some way, I've got a few mates that do pieces in London and they turn out some half decent bits here and there - but the tagging thing (which they all do just as much, if not more than real pieces) I've never understood... just seems like a waste of paint, time and concrete.
tagging is waste. yes. but its part of what graffiti is. People want to build a reputation for their name so that people look out for them, not just because of how prolific they are but to see where their pieces might be. Its also about crews, you might do a throwup and want people to know who your reppin so that if other artists painting in the area they wont tag over yours cause you got rep. Its a signature. Well at least thats what tagging used to be about. I was on a bus a few weeks ago and a bunch of kids got on and started using a scratchy on the window beside the driver where you pay/swipe oyster. That was fucking wrong, kids these days have no respect. Graffiti is all about respect.
Personally Im all for graffiti in the right context. You dont go painting someones house wall or fucking up some historic monument, you paint on concrete obscenities and trains, you paint on bill boards, on roof tops, on disuesed buildings. You add art and colour to an otherwise grey landscape.
Proper graffiti pieces are art, anybody who says otherwise is a chump.
Hah, I bought that book for my brother a couple of Christmasses ago. I agree with all of that... I think I'm just in a bit of a strop with taggers after seeing a load on Tower Bridge the other month.
Totally agree with all the advertising stuff - if corps are allowed to "decorate" our neighbourhoods, we should be able to as well... I just hope for a bit more artistic merit than simply writing your own name over and over.
Tox really can fuck off.
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ONE of the Tube's most prolific graffiti vandals has been sentenced to a 200-hour community punishment order.
Daniel Halpin, whose graffiti tag "Tox" can be seen on trains and buses across the capital, was made the subject of the order after breaching the conditions of an Antisocial Behaviour Order (ASBO) made against him.
The 19-year-old from Stockwell had spent four-and-a-half months on remand at Feltham Young Offender institution ahead of the sentencing hearing at Inner London Crown Court on Friday.
The court heard Halpin was caught in Camberwell bus garage in the early hours of May 17 in breach of the ASBO banning him carrying aerosols and graffiti equipment.
He admitted breaching the ASBO and asked for 20 other offences to be taken into consideration.
The court was told how Halpin had stopped attending school at the age of 14 and that both his parents were drug addicts.
Halpin's barrister, Trevor Siddle, said: "He describes his graffiti as an addiction. He accepts he needs help to stop and that the antisocial behaviour on the estate where he lives does not provide any.
"His tag 'Tox' is short for the word toxin."
Recorder Philip Sapsford sentenced Halpin, of Burrow House, Stockwell Park Estate, Stockwell, to a 200-hour community punishment order after hearing he had already spent four-and-a-half months on remand.
Speaking after Halpin was sentenced, a London Underground spokesman said: "Mr Halpin is now learning that his actions have serious consequences - graffiti is criminal damage."
Didn't do a very good job did they. lol
I cant remember his tag, but around this time, the son of a high court judge got arrested for some of the most prolific tagging london has ever seen. over half million worth of damage!
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Just because he's prolific doesn't mean he's not a douche.... Tox pisses all over this city like Akon pisses all over the radio. People have no fucking taste...
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nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.
Just because he's prolific doesn't mean he's not a douche.... Tox pisses all over this city like Akon pisses all over the radio. People have no fucking taste...
Yeah it's kind off stupid to just write tox on everything. Has no meaning.
If he did some nice paintings on the walls, ok, but just "Tox". wtf.
Just because he's prolific doesn't mean he's not a douche.... Tox pisses all over this city like Akon pisses all over the radio. People have no fucking taste...
Yeah it's kind off stupid to just write tox on everything. Has no meaning.
If he did some nice paintings on the walls, ok, but just "Tox". wtf.
Thats the hole point of bombing
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