Do you believe in Buddhism?

[danoldboy]

I believe in bacon double cheeseburgers

[Wabberjocky]

that's not bacon that's ham! line must be drawn somewhere

[dreamizm]

Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

[d-T-r]

karmic traces.

not just based on your actions but your thoughts/emotions aswell....

the most widespread view of karma is obviously 'what go's around comes around', but its much more internal than that.

you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

same go's for positive emotions but then to have a thresh-hold for positive emotion, also means to allow space for the negative.

hence the importance of non attachment in Buddhism and fully understanding/ 'escaping'/ dualistic thoughts in Taoism/daoism.

one of my favourite budhism related quotes:

"If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say it.

If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it.

If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it.

If it is truthful and helpful. . . wait for the right time."

[jazzamataz]

I don't believe in Karma on any spiritual level, but I do believe that if we all strove to act decently towards each other then "good fortune" would befall more people more of the time.

It's sort of like being a hippy only with shoes.

Yeah, I'm a corporate hippy too.

[Firkles]

I have a tattoo of buddha between my arse cheeks....









I was trying to make a wise crack

[kingldub]

Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

[rbnc]

You guys are so silly.

[parson]

non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

[alien pimp]

non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

i starting to hope this new season from parson is gonna be better than the previous, im locked

[hayze99]

I have a tattoo of buddha between my arse cheeks....









I was trying to make a wise crack

Fucking ZIIIING!

[dreamizm]

Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

ok i understand the belief but am looking for another way to understand it, perhaps closer to the way dTr put it..

@dTr- are u sayin this negativity has to manifest in an outcome once 'created' or thought?

I thought the traditional and simplified belief was "do sutm bad to someone, they get hurt and pass on that badness/hurt to somone else and sooner or later it u will meet someone equally hurt down the line who will just pass it back to you, completing 'the circle'. I am just looking for a deeper/more psych-emotional interpretation really

[d-T-r]

Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

ok i understand the belief but am looking for another way to understand it, perhaps closer to the way dTr put it..

@dTr- are u sayin this negativity has to manifest in an outcome once 'created' or thought?

I thought the traditional and simplified belief was "do sutm bad to someone, they get hurt and pass on that badness/hurt to somone else and sooner or later it u will meet someone equally hurt down the line who will just pass it back to you, completing 'the circle'. I am just looking for a deeper/more psych-emotional interpretation really

i think the best explanation i've encountered and the one im tryng to verbalise, was in The tibetan yogas of dream and sleep by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

from page 26

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fWz5 ... q=&f=false

as long as we identity with the grasping and aversion of the moving mind, we produce negative emotions that are born in the gap between what is, and what we want.Actions generated from these emotions,... leave karmic traces...

karma means action. Karmic traces are the results of action which remain in the mental consciousness and influence our future. We can partially understand karmic traces if we think of them as what in the west are called tendencies in the unconscious. They are inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities. They create and condition every response we normally have to every element of our experience

...Any reaction to any situation, external or internal ,waking or dreaming that is rooted in grasping or aversion, leaves a trace in the mind. as karma dictates reactions, the reactions sow further seeds, which further dicates reactions and so on. This is how karma leads to more of its self.

theres more continued after that worth reading.

[dreamizm]

Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

ok i understand the belief but am looking for another way to understand it, perhaps closer to the way dTr put it..

@dTr- are u sayin this negativity has to manifest in an outcome once 'created' or thought?

I thought the traditional and simplified belief was "do sutm bad to someone, they get hurt and pass on that badness/hurt to somone else and sooner or later it u will meet someone equally hurt down the line who will just pass it back to you, completing 'the circle'. I am just looking for a deeper/more psych-emotional interpretation really

i think the best explanation i've encountered and the one im tryng to verbalise, was in The tibetan yogas of dream and sleep by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

from page 26

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fWz5 ... q=&f=false

as long as we identity with the grasping and aversion of the moving mind, we produce negative emotions that are born in the gap between what is, and what we want.Actions generated from these emotions,... leave karmic traces...

karma means action. Karmic traces are the results of action which remain in the mental consciousness and influence our future. We can partially understand karmic traces if we think of them as what in the west are called tendencies in the unconscious. They are inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities. They create and condition every response we normally have to every element of our experience

...Any reaction to any situation, external or internal ,waking or dreaming that is rooted in grasping or aversion, leaves a trace in the mind. as karma dictates reactions, the reactions sow further seeds, which further dicates reactions and so on. This is how karma leads to more of its self.

theres more continued after that worth reading.

sAFE, exactly what i was looking for!

...inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities

So if we change our behaviour patterns and ingrained emotive reactions to situations are we essentially changing Karma?

I have definitely looked into my ingrained/unconscious reactions to people and situations (by altering my perception of an event, which is all there is at the end of the day, and -for example- extracting the positive rather than negative) and continue to remain aware of these reactions... Am I externally influencing Karma in this respect?

[rbnc]

non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

You're talking shit.

[2manynoobs]

i don't believe it but i do get why people believe in it.

Imo, if you are good to other people they'll be most of the time good to you. Which is nice

[d-T-r]

sAFE, exactly what i was looking for!

inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities

So if we change our behaviour patterns and ingrained emotive reactions to situations are we essentially changing Karma?

I have definitely looked into my ingrained/unconscious reactions to people and situations (by altering my perception of an event, which is all there is at the end of the day, and -for example- extracting the positive rather than negative) and continue to remain aware of these reactions... Am I externally influencing Karma in this respect?

im not sure if 'changing' is the right word to use. karma is what it is . you can change your interaction with it though so to speak.


think of yourself as a gate with something moving along circular path, passing through it. you can either constantly send things out (bad or good) , and have them return back in that same state, or you can close that gate and just observe from a distance all together. hence non-recation. escaping dualistic thought. etc

tis a hell of a lot easier said than done though after the years of conditioning the majority of us have undertaken. some things are always going to cause a reaction, i think thats just the nature of...everything. i think the mental vantage point lies in the reaction to an event as opposed to just the event its self.

this guy expresses it better:

http://www.afan.uk.net/stuff/world-view ... references

The Great Way is not difficult
for those who have no preferences.
When love and hate are both absent
everything becomes clear and undisguised.
Make the smallest distinction, however,
and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.
If you wish to see the truth
then hold no opinions for or against anything.
To set up what you like against what you dislike
is the disease of the mind.
When the deep meaning of things is not understood
the mind's essential peace is disturbed to no avail.

[dreamizm]

i think the mental vantage point lies in the reaction to an event as opposed to just the event its self.

Definitely agree.

Not sure if I (personally) wld see this in terms of Karma tho, its way more far-reaching than that. But its definitely interesting to look at it from a universal/karmic point of view.

I think thoughts prob have just as much or maybe more influence on karma than actions/reactions as well. How you think affects what you see and identify with and will always influence your path/decisions/situations u find urself in more than one will even know.

Whats the saying:
"Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts become your words.
Be careful of your words, for your words become your actions.
Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits.
Be careful of your habits, for your habits become your character.
Be careful of your character, for your character becomes your destiny”

Peace

[parson]

non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

You're talking shit.

and there's no need for people your age to believe in anything. you're so trained to believe what you believe, it'll never change.

[2manynoobs]

Whats the saying:
"Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts become your words.
Be careful of your words, for your words become your actions.
Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits.
Be careful of your habits, for your habits become your character.
Be careful of your character, for your character becomes your destiny”

Peace

i once read stuff about the power of positive thinking.

The mind stays a weird and too less understood something.