[NYC] 1/15 DUB WAR w/ Instra:mental + Vaccine

[seckle]

[Sharmaji]

seckle what is that slice of deliciousness that runs in the intro??

leave it to Joe to bridge what-the-fuck into DMZ vs. MZN. big things amigo!

[brand100]

dave, incyde, and joe brought it as usual, but vaccine put me to sleep and instra:mental never quite got it together. add in the 'there's always a way to the front of the line' $20-bill loving bouncer on the door and i was just confused.

i agree with darknes except i thought intra:mental did have it together, great set!

am i missing the thread where people went over the changes to LOVE??? I missed the December Dub War

some changes were good and some were really bad

good:
-separate windows for tickets and coatcheck... cut down on the clusterf*ck that LOVE's entrance can be
-removal of the rock slab by the front bar... a no brainer to make room for things like bathroom and coatcheck lines
indifferent:
-opening up the rave(rape)cave
bad:
-both bars running out of beer and eventually serving warm beer
-coat check being full very early in the night... even though i've been there in the winter when it's been more crowded and coat check wasn't full
-seating along the back wall... if you wanna sit, go to the rave cave
really bad:
-the sound system has been moved around and i can't tell but have some components been eliminated (or just moved) for the sake of seating??? sure the bass sounded good this past dub war, but not like i remember. or did instra:mental not take advantage of the system? i'm kind of scared about messing around with the best sound system in NYC so that NYU students who can't handle their drugs have a place take a breather... no matter how douchey the crowd is, you could always reassure myself it was worthwhile just to hear it on that system... was Gary Stewart consulted about these changes??? if anyone has any info about what changes were made to the system, i'd love to know.

keepitrealupinthefeel

[lalanana]

omg little boh peep is vaccine?! i never knew that, haha that's awesome! sorry i'm an idiot

anyway, I didn't go to this dubwar, However, i have a friend who went to this one and loved your set Vaccine, he just doesn't have an account so I thought I would pass on the love.

[incyde]

good:
-separate windows for tickets and coatcheck... cut down on the clusterf*ck that LOVE's entrance can be
-removal of the rock slab by the front bar... a no brainer to make room for things like bathroom and coatcheck lines
indifferent:
-opening up the rave(rape)cave
bad:
-both bars running out of beer and eventually serving warm beer
-coat check being full very early in the night... even though i've been there in the winter when it's been more crowded and coat check wasn't full
-seating along the back wall... if you wanna sit, go to the rave cave
really bad:
-the sound system has been moved around and i can't tell but have some components been eliminated (or just moved) for the sake of seating??? sure the bass sounded good this past dub war, but not like i remember. or did instra:mental not take advantage of the system? i'm kind of scared about messing around with the best sound system in NYC so that NYU students who can't handle their drugs have a place take a breather... no matter how douchey the crowd is, you could always reassure myself it was worthwhile just to hear it on that system... was Gary Stewart consulted about these changes??? if anyone has any info about what changes were made to the system, i'd love to know.

keepitrealupinthefeel

i'll try to answer your concerns as much as i can..

yeah they have changed a few things up... i agree the separate windows is much needed. but the mandatory coat check policy on friday pretty much annulled its benefit, because everyone had to wait to check their coat anyway. the management's reason is trying to avoid having coats lying around all over. i think they'll need an additional coat checker to make it move quicker. not good when there are a bunch of people waiting outside when there's room inside.

the fraggle rock room was definitely getting dirty, from the bodies and from the waterfall thing. it was time for that to go.

not sure what was up with the liquor and beer. never seen that before. but i was there the following night at Love and they were re-stocked.

i think most people appreciate having seats around the back edge of the club. they are definitely being used! lets people take a rest and still hear the music full on.

and finally, about the sound.. there were 2 "scoop" style subs that used to be installed in the back (where the seats now are), but they haven't been functional for over a year or something like that. so they got rid of them, cuz they weren't doing anything.

and the reason it didnt sound quite as weighty as previous months is because 2 months ago, 1/2 of the back corner stack's sub driver was blown out. so the back subs were not as strong as the front ones.

thanks for your feedback... from what i hear they will be fixing those drivers ASAP.

[christthetiger]

^^ tight! please fix soon.

[brand100]

and finally, about the sound.. there were 2 "scoop" style subs that used to be installed in the back (where the seats now are), but they haven't been functional for over a year or something like that. so they got rid of them, cuz they weren't doing anything.

and the reason it didnt sound quite as weighty as previous months is because 2 months ago, 1/2 of the back corner stack's sub driver was blown out. so the back subs were not as strong as the front ones.

thanks for your feedback... from what i hear they will be fixing those drivers ASAP.

Thanks for the info! much appreciated. i didn't realize those subs haven't been functional in so long...

[darknes]

Vaccine-I like your music. A lot. You're one of the reasons I was excited about going to this Dub War. I just thought you were going to play a danceable set, since it was peak hour, plus I thought it would be more different from the Mary Anne Hobbes set than it was. Technically, it was fantastic, but I wasn't the only one a bit bored, waiting for something more, for more tension, more release, whatever. I felt like the room was ready to pop off when you started, and it didn't. Glad everyone had fun though!

[little boh peep]

Vaccine-I like your music. A lot. You're one of the reasons I was excited about going to this Dub War. I just thought you were going to play a danceable set, since it was peak hour, plus I thought it would be more different from the Mary Anne Hobbes set than it was. Technically, it was fantastic, but I wasn't the only one a bit bored, waiting for something more, for more tension, more release, whatever. I felt like the room was ready to pop off when you started, and it didn't. Glad everyone had fun though!

Technical excellence and musical depth has always been more important to me as an artist than danceability, which is what I was trying to get at in my previous response - I'm known for a specific style. I think the problem is false expectations, which you admit to having. Had I played a significantly meaner set, conversely there might be people complaining that it wasn't what they came expecting to see. If Burial played out, would you expect something very different from how he's always defined himself as an artist? It's a fair question. No wonder he doesn't.

I'm also somewhat limited to tunes that I have the parts for, given that it was a live PA. There's music by other artists I would definitely like to incorporate into future sets - case in point my live remix of "LFO" by Kito - however they didn't get back to me with the parts in time.

Thank you for the carefully-worded review though, I'll take that under advisement. Please also understand that this was my second gig ever, and by nature there might be kinks.

[christthetiger]

^ i cant imagine it not being off da chain. big up the vaccine! and huge respect to the nyc dubwar kru! cant wait for next month.


i need my fix

[darknes]

Vaccine-I like your music. A lot. You're one of the reasons I was excited about going to this Dub War. I just thought you were going to play a danceable set, since it was peak hour, plus I thought it would be more different from the Mary Anne Hobbes set than it was. Technically, it was fantastic, but I wasn't the only one a bit bored, waiting for something more, for more tension, more release, whatever. I felt like the room was ready to pop off when you started, and it didn't. Glad everyone had fun though!

Technical excellence and musical depth has always been more important to me as an artist than danceability, which is what I was trying to get at in my previous response - I'm known for a specific style. I think the problem is false expectations, which you admit to having. Had I played a significantly meaner set, conversely there might be people complaining that it wasn't what they came expecting to see. If Burial played out, would you expect something very different from how he's always defined himself as an artist? It's a fair question. No wonder he doesn't.

I'm also somewhat limited to tunes that I have the parts for, given that it was a live PA. There's music by other artists I would definitely like to incorporate into future sets - case in point my live remix of "LFO" by Kito - however they didn't get back to me with the parts in time.

Thank you for the carefully-worded review though, I'll take that under advisement. Please also understand that this was my second gig ever, and by nature there might be kinks.

I don't think that you needed to necessarily play meaner, that wouldn't have made me happy either . I also wouldn't say I had 'false' expectation, i.e., I was unfamiliar with your sound/style...I am. I was just ready to dance. I would/will come see you play again, I'll just know what I'm getting into.

Thanks for replying.

[alley cat alicia esp]

sounds epic.!
are there any more videos? would like to see some more of Al Instra ...
we can put some on the ESP page as well..esp-agency.com



much love,

[blumarten]

anyone know what the breaksy track at 2:08 is? Love it.

[dq]

anyone know what the breaksy track at 2:08 is? Love it.

it's ramadanman - "glut" mixed with skream "minimalistix"

[blumarten]

anyone know what the breaksy track at 2:08 is? Love it.

it's ramadanman - "glut" mixed with skream "minimalistix"

nice one cheers

[andrew morphous]

really bad:
-the sound system has been moved around and i can't tell but have some components been eliminated (or just moved) for the sake of seating??? sure the bass sounded good this past dub war, but not like i remember. or did instra:mental not take advantage of the system? i'm kind of scared about messing around with the best sound system in NYC so that NYU students who can't handle their drugs have a place take a breather... no matter how douchey the crowd is, you could always reassure myself it was worthwhile just to hear it on that system... was Gary Stewart consulted about these changes??? if anyone has any info about what changes were made to the system, i'd love to know.

Hey there...

I'm the sound engineer for Love -

The large J-Horn Subs in the back of the room have been in-operational for over 2 years... They added to the room, for sure, but the system itself is really equipped to handle a room 4 times the size of that room... It just looks weird,when you're used to seeing them.. for sure...

The 2 Blown 18's in the far corner stacks are getting sorted as fast as we can.. they are TR-Transparence and difficult to get a hold of... No one carries them locally.. The only US distributor is in Miami and they're expensive... I did find a local shop that re-cones drivers, which might be " THE" solution...

btw...... We're looking to build Bass Bins into the banquettes (seats) in the back of the room (in place of the J-Horns)...

Gary Stuart will be brought back in for a cleaning and calibration of the Love system... We've just need to get the system back to 100%...

Thanks for your support and your concerns!!

Feel free to say hi next time you're at Love

Best Wishes,

Andrew Morphous

[jibberish]

Security/Door problems or comments are really important to us, and your input is really helpful. If anyone's got other examples from last night of strange door/security treatment, please let us know.

I've been going to Dubwar for almost three years now. I always have great time, no matter my particular tastes within the genre, but this last time, the general management of the venue almost ruined it for me. The bouncer at the coat check counter was forcing to people check there coats, even if they didn't want to. I saw a guy in a light nylon jacket get totally hassled. At the bar, the bartender told me that there was a $50.00 minimum for credit cards, which is ridiculous. It used to be a reasonable $20.00.

Love is awesome because of the wicked sound system. But it also used to be awesome because it was a quirky post-raver venue, with nothing but good vibes. Now it seems like it just want to be becoming another meat packing district bottle service club. It's alienating at best.

Seckle, I don't know how much sway you guys have with the management, and I'm sure financial considerations play into this, but it sucks to watch a great thing get spoiled.

[omegamystik]

whats the last track of the video that joe plays, I've heard him play it on gourmatbeats and its redic! i remember him saying on the show something about africa... any ideas?

[brockolio]

digital mystikz- dmz v. mzn

[seckle]

Security/Door problems or comments are really important to us, and your input is really helpful. If anyone's got other examples from last night of strange door/security treatment, please let us know.

I've been going to Dubwar for almost three years now. I always have great time, no matter my particular tastes within the genre, but this last time, the general management of the venue almost ruined it for me. The bouncer at the coat check counter was forcing to people check there coats, even if they didn't want to. I saw a guy in a light nylon jacket get totally hassled. At the bar, the bartender told me that there was a $50.00 minimum for credit cards, which is ridiculous. It used to be a reasonable $20.00.

Love is awesome because of the wicked sound system. But it also used to be awesome because it was a quirky post-raver venue, with nothing but good vibes. Now it seems like it just want to be becoming another meat packing district bottle service club. It's alienating at best.

Seckle, I don't know how much sway you guys have with the management, and I'm sure financial considerations play into this, but it sucks to watch a great thing get spoiled.

Thanks for letting us know about the door situation. Its really hard for us to see things from all sides during the party itself, so this helps us tweak and change where required. $40-50 minimum is not something new, as far as I can remember its always been $50. In fact $50 is pretty much a standard at a lot of NYC clubs. Love has gone through a management change, and of course with that sort of thing comes new ideas, changes etc. Its part of the landscape of running a business in NYC. We're doing our best to try and work with the club during these changes. Any club in NYC during the winter has the coat check dilemma. If you don't force coat check, you have piles of coats in the club, which in turn becomes a security issue, as things can be stolen/lost/etc. Where that pile of coats is, someone could be sitting, dancing, etc. Its a catch 22. No easy answer. Other clubs like Pascha/Cielo have mandatory coat check rules. Its not just love.

Anyway, your reply was read by all of us, and we'll take it into consideration. Thank you for your support!