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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by Wrigzilla » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:33 pm

Hmmm

Sample selection helps and if you get the layering right you'll end up with some well fat sounding individual hits. Side chaining as well (keep it subtle!) will help make the kick and snare punch through. Also transient designers are awesome in keeping the decay of hits under control. Noisia make dnb so chances are no or just a little bit (tiny amount) or a very short reverb on the drums.

Now what I've found is that multiple stages of gentle distortion and compression make things sound fatter than one stage of heavy distortion and compression. I don't do this myself but my housemate get some good results doing multiband distortion/compression on the drums.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by serox » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:48 pm

They sound the same as 99% of DnB producers drums.

They have good monitors and pick good samples that fit.
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by Depone » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:16 pm

serox wrote:They sound the same as 99% of DnB producers drums.

They have good monitors and pick good samples that fit.
Are you joking??? Jog on :lol:
Noisia have some of the most diverse and original sounding drum patterns and production to date. This along with the lifted music crew.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by serox » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:20 pm

Depone wrote:
serox wrote:They sound the same as 99% of DnB producers drums.

They have good monitors and pick good samples that fit.
Are you joking??? Jog on :lol:
Noisia have some of the most diverse and original sounding drum patterns and production to date. This along with the lifted music crew.
I was talking about the sound hits, not patterns.

Their drums dont sound that different. They use some nice distortion on everything but nothing new.

I dont like it tbh. I think it sounds overproduced and too digital but thats just me.
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by Depone » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:43 pm

serox wrote:
Depone wrote:
serox wrote:They sound the same as 99% of DnB producers drums.

They have good monitors and pick good samples that fit.
Are you joking??? Jog on :lol:
Noisia have some of the most diverse and original sounding drum patterns and production to date. This along with the lifted music crew.
I was talking about the sound hits, not patterns.

Their drums dont sound that different. They use some nice distortion on everything but nothing new.

I dont like it tbh. I think it sounds overproduced and too digital but thats just me.
Amazing noisia tunes that arent dnb-









And some dnb tunes




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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by serox » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:48 pm

Depone wrote: Amazing noisia tunes that arent dnb-
I am glad you like their music but I dont like it one bit. Not a single thing. In fact, I had to turn some of those tracks off real fast becuase they are that horrible, to me.

Sounds way to digital and over produced.
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by Sharmaji » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:11 pm

for standard, 2004/5 noisia badassness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIN3-MYgB2w

they're similar to chase & status in my mind-- popular for 1 thihng, sure, but they've got a back catalog of breaks, house, liquid d&b... what's their liquid alias again? in fact i think 'they' have the tune on the flip of brainstitch. i'd check but my records are all the way across the room....
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by deadly_habit » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:46 pm

Sharmaji wrote:for standard, 2004/5 noisia badassness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIN3-MYgB2w

they're similar to chase & status in my mind-- popular for 1 thihng, sure, but they've got a back catalog of breaks, house, liquid d&b... what's their liquid alias again? in fact i think 'they' have the tune on the flip of brainstitch. i'd check but my records are all the way across the room....
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by Sharmaji » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:09 pm

DRIFTER, that's the one i was thinking. thx DH
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by cloak and dagger » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:26 pm

I've actually only liked one Noisia tune to date: Cloudshine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xn3SVr5rNQ

Everything else to me just sounds like soulless, overproduced cheese to be honest, Spor more so...they're definitely talented, but none of it grabs me. Definitely can't hate on them though, they're doing really well doing what they love! Wish I was in their shoes :mrgreen:

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by yellowhighlighter » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:32 pm

i like noisia and spor, but i can understand how some people would dislike them. different people like different things.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by deadly_habit » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:46 pm

yellowhighlighter wrote:i like noisia and spor, but i can understand how some people would dislike them. different people like different things.
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by gnome » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:35 pm

deadly habit wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:i like noisia and spor, but i can understand how some people would dislike them. different people like different things.
anyone who has played the new wipeout games cant hate em aphex or skream etc
new wipeout is best soundtrack since orig 2
Theres a new wipeout game :o

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by my_fickle_eye » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:38 pm

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by boot » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:14 pm

My personal fav stuff from Noisia is their biz on a deeper tip
Cold Veins


The Distance


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Not really sure about the comments about "too digital"? It was written on a computer, what do you expect.
No such thing as over-produced IMO, people just think when something has a ridiculous big dancefloor mixdown that it is "overproduced", I don't get it, it was written for the dancefloor.
Anyway, enough rant from me, check out these deeper tunes they're awesome.
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by cloak and dagger » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:23 am

boot wrote:My personal fav stuff from Noisia is their biz on a deeper tip

Not really sure about the comments about "too digital"? It was written on a computer, what do you expect.
No such thing as over-produced IMO, people just think when something has a ridiculous big dancefloor mixdown that it is "overproduced", I don't get it, it was written for the dancefloor.
Anyway, enough rant from me, check out these deeper tunes they're awesome.

"Overproduced" doesn't mean "too dancefloor." It means that the production on the track overwhelms the elements of the tune to the point that it takes away from the tune and it's worse off for it. This can be in regards to many things, like melody, dynamics, groove, structure, and the listening experience itself. If you think there's absolutely no way this can ever happen, then I'm not really sure what to tell you though; it happens in a lot of different genres and is a pretty commonly-used term.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by boot » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:44 am

I've always disagreed with that term. I've found it usually seems to be used in the case of tracks with a huge dancefloor mixdown (e.g. Noisia's dancefloor orientated stuff) by people who don't like that type of music.
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by yellowhighlighter » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:47 am

btw i thought it was pretty much accepted that most drum n bass is over produced.

it's just artists favouring technical ability over creative ability.

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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by boot » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:51 am

yellowhighlighter wrote:it's just artists favouring technical ability over creative ability.
IMO with electronic music these things are one and the same
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Re: WTF, Noisia's drums are too much

Post by abZ » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:25 am

boot wrote:
yellowhighlighter wrote:it's just artists favouring technical ability over creative ability.
IMO with electronic music these things are one and the same
Yeah I agree I mean a good "creative" idea that is produced horribly is just as bad as a shiny turd. You really have to have both to make a jem imo.

I ain't gonna lie I am a Noisia fan. Admittedly I am a bit behind on their music. Big blank spot for the last 4 years as I needed a long vacation from all things dnb. I have quite a few 12s with their name on it tho.

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