Isn't it time to divide Dubstep into subgenres?

[djake]

no sub genres thanks

[ras-claat]

And I know this forum doesn't control "Dubstep", again, stop assuming i'm an idiot. It is a big part though, you can't argue that. A lot of people rely solely on THIS WEBSITE to find mixes and new dubstep. But in it's current state with an undefined mixture of both types of dubstep, it's fucking confusing and turns a lot of people off. It's human nature, when people are uncomfortable/unsure, they tend to withdraw.

Also, I know a lot of people hate the term 'dubstep', but i don't understand why they should give a shit about the name.

because, then the majority of people will start and say this is dubstep and that not... resulting in loads of subgenres dividing the scene.
the name dubstep is a pretty shit one, but if people need to have a name for a movement, then this might be okay, as long as there are no rules.
i find it to be far more exciting to have a scene, that doesn't have a formula and you couldn't really say what might be up next.
nothing more boring than to know future tunes already, and producers that have to stick to rules to fit in a rave/night.

to be honest, if people can't accept the fact that most producers like to call their sound just "music" then they're no loss to the scene if they withdraw...

as far as i am concerned... can't really talk about other people here..


Take your time and listen to all the different radio shows, find your favorites just to find the complete opposite you like the following day/week/year.
Imho better than finding out about a genre, know it's rules in half a year and then get bored and move on to the next limited genre.

Edit: and what's the point of subgenres if most of the people here like some "techstep" "clownstep" "brostep" "medistep" "dubbydubstep" "horrorstep" where you could just say dubstep... safes a lot of time imho

[kingthing]

I know a lot of people hate the term 'dubstep', but i don't understand why they should give a shit about the name.

Exactly - so, erm, why then 'give a shit' about names of sub genres? If it sounds good to your ears, then great, if it doesn't, then move on...?!

But like fractal said, this will just keep popping up time and time again, so my official response is - 'meh'

[beerz]

. Look at what happened to DnB

what happened to dnb? its absolutely on fire atm in my opinion...

[jolly wailer]

It's already started, but it's getting out of control (filthstep, grimestep, dirtystep, sexstep) all of these retarded names that are confusing and misleading.

so wait. why did you make this thread?

[wooda916]

its just 140 (ish)

[Luke Yeah?]

One of the things that drew me to dubstep was the fact that there were so many styles under one umbrella. The feeling of finding a tune/artist that hits the spot after a bit of searching is still to this day a great feeling.

To put it short, NO to sub genres.

[fractal]

imho, whether it's jungle, hardcore, 2 step, garage, breakbeat, dubstep, dnb, dub techno, techno, trance, house, funky, tropical bass or whatever, it's all the same music--> EDM, everything else is just a subgenre of that

the more lines we draw the further we try to separate all the other parts of electronic dance music, to stay in one bpm even, is kinda strange.

as far as dubstep goes, at first the only rules were sub bass and tempo, but even those have begun to shift. one of my fave early dubstep tracks, Touch by Dj Abstract (off of tempa allstars 1), is in the low 130's, so it's not like bpm was ever truly set in stone...

people do feel the need to classify and label though, whether it be for ease of convienience or discussion or whatever, so they can just let me know when they are done and we'll figure it out from there i suppose, lol

it's no big deal really, it's just music!!

[drop records]

I'm admitting I don't know much about the genre and would love to know more... but in its current state, it's really fucking hard to even learn the roots and basics of the genre, or to even get into

For this buy The Roots Of Dubstep on Tempa, and Dubstep Allstars 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 7 to get a pretty bang on overview of the genre & it's progression over the years

For the record, i think pigeonholes are useless and can suck the soul out of music by creating splinters within a scene

One of the most refreshing things about dubstep thus far is that there is such a massive range of influences all in one big melting pot. I've seen people in the shop getting into dubstep from garage, drum & bass, hip hop, breaks, electronica, reggae & dub, techno, & many more - and in my opinion that diversity has been keeping the genre fresh and exciting

Sub-genres are for music critics/journalists who feel the need to categorise music, not for music fans. If you've got a hunger for good music, you'll find it

[fractal]

good post

[dj ill kid 505]

Dividing genre's will inevitably lead to the death of dubstep.

It's all Dubstep.

Carry on...

[FackOff]

Sub-genres are for music critics/journalists who feel the need to categorise music, not for music fans. If you've got a hunger for good music, you'll find it

This completely - reading an article recently about how in the house scene people are using more samples in different languages,from different countries etc. which they called 'ethno-techno'.I know I face-palmed..

[awash]

I agree with what was said about labels. If anything were a flag for a style within the genre, it's that. And a flag is more understandable than the "walls" of a subgenre.
But this does take some time to feel out. But time is rewarded here. I guess you're going to have to give up listening to some other more shit and turn on the sonar.

[pulsar]

[nousd]

But time is rewarded here.
Like now,
listening to silence
on the sonar.

remixed words


What genres are there in dubstep anyway?




edit: claim for copyright as of now

[seckle]

to help this genre grow.

it doesn't need help to grow. confusion is good. its worked just fine since 2001. the problem with the itunes generation is that they want everything defined and boxed like its mcdonalds.

mystery is good, discovery is even better.

[incnic]

o.p is fucked in the head IMHO

'corny'

[kzero]

I know a lot of people hate the term 'dubstep', but i don't understand why they should give a shit about the name.

Exactly - so, erm, why then 'give a shit' about names of sub genres? If it sounds good to your ears, then great, if it doesn't, then move on...?!

But like fractal said, this will just keep popping up time and time again, so my official response is - 'meh'

i read all of the responses. some of them were like this post. don't twist my words around. There's a difference between a name for the sake of a name and a name for organization's sake. I'm not trying to recreate a scene or even fucking change the music itself. All i'm saying is that ON THIS FORUM, (you know, the one that you had to TELL me that DOESN'T control the dubstep scene , so stop acting like it's a huge thing) to start something like this for organization's sake.
Even if it's just a small word in the topic description.

^^i'm sure this will not be needed for me in due time, as i'll be more familiar with artists and labels, but as of now, for newcomers, this forum is frustrating and confusing. Although it seems as though most of you could give a shit about newcomers.

I completely agree that discovery is a good feeling, but when it comes to this forum, sifting through piles and piles of shit where people like me get shat on, it kind of sucks.

AND YES, IT IS ALL DUBSTEP, A SUBGENRE IS A SUBGENRE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ORIGINAL GENRE, WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO EVEN SAY THIS?

kzero,
I see where you are coming from for sure. It's also sad to see such rude responses. People, if you have an opinion to voice, can you do it without insulting the OP?
Sub-genres is a touchy subject because I think people think that by labeling the music that is in existence already, they will somehow alter the output. But that's not necessarily true! I'm really into dubstep, and for me, the only way to make sense of the EXTRAORDINARY VOLUME of dubstep that I listen to via mixes on this site alone, is to divide the music into certain vibes / aesthetics:

-Sub weight driven tunes like Deep Medi Musik
-Techno-stab dubstep like Pushing Red, 7even, and 2562's first album on Tectonic
-Breakstep, wicked rhythm workouts like Reso, Ekaj, Noiz
-Metal/rock influenced stuff like Broken Note or Distance
-Distortion/wobble heavy stuff (it's everywhere)
-Chillout stuff like DFRNT's label Echodub
-Deep techno inspired minimal dub, like new Scuba, Sigha (Hotflush recs), or Immerse records
-Garage influenced stuff with non 140 rhythms, pitched up vocals, like Burial, SYNKRO, Joy Orbison, and many others
-super-melodic stuff from the rest of Europe...Faib (Russia), L-Wiz (Sweden)
- and many others that I probably don't know about!!

edit: Part of what makes dubstep good tho is the way all of these different vibes can co-exist, so I don't agree with you about making a hard distinction between hard and soft dubstep. However, I'm DAMN sure no other EDM genre can boast such variety in both rhythm and vibe.

thanks for this post. i bolded the statement i think is setting everyone off, though.
maybe i started off too strong. maybe a milder form of my suggestion can be taken?
how about from now on, try to have some kind of hint in a topic description to make finding specific styles easier? i know the vibes co-exist and go great together in mixes. but when i'm out getting drunk with friends, sometimes we just want to hear the most obnoxious dubstep out there, and it sucks when all we can find is mellow stuff (which i usually love)

[FackOff]

the beauty lies in the mystery - finding for yourself is part of the fun of dubstep music,or just music for that matter.i can see where you're coming from but i just think that to maintain the mystery,something which is always appealing to anybody,the vagueness and diversity has to be left at 'dubstep' and too over-classify something just removes the mystique about it and makes it more mechanical and therefore less soulful if you get me..

[nicenice]

Follow the yellow brick road to the wizard of bass and he will surely grant your wish.