Cubase Vs Albeton Live...Any users on here?

[deadly_habit]

cubase ftw
nah seriously need to sit down with ableton one of these days. i can dj with it or live pa but never tried producing and honestly can't see it being better and working with audio clips than cubase

[abZ]

I dont use ableton for djing or live much mostly production in a linear fasion. I love the audio editing and the mixer. One thing with 8 is grouping tracks that makes the mixer way nicer for me. I am very curious about everyone saying audio is better in cubase or logic it might be I dont know I want to see this for myself tho. Comes down to preference I think. Ableton works with the way I think and work and frees up a lot of stuff so that my creativity can flow. No real reason to switch but it never hurts to have experience in different formats.

[dj $hy]

i use both........ i write my tunes mainly in ableton then mix them in cubase. i find ableton gives me more inspiration for sound design cos of the unusual plug ins it ships with and the clip envelope features amongst others. i prefer cubases bussing system for hierarchical bussing beyond one level and the mixer i find easier to work with, esp for the final mixdown. also means when i reach the limits of my comp in ableton, i then get a new lease of life by stemming and whacking in cubase, ableton seems really quick for bouncing lots of stems... can also help to give a new perspective on teh tune 'cos my workflow is so diffferent in both progs....... think im gonna stick with this method for a while at least

This is exactly what I've heard/read about - for creating its supposed to be the nuts, workflow is quick and the unusual pluggings is something I've very very interested in! But like you and what other have said I have been using CB for 7 years now, I work very quickly in it so I'm thinking either rewire (has anyone tried that, not seen anyone anything about it) or just stemming everything and then move to CB. Due to me mainly using my Virus TI I bounce all the time so to be able to bounce to audio na dcreate some madness in AB and then get it all sorted in CB seems to be the way for me...

Plus as I said earlier I will be using this while I'm away fomr my studio on a laptop so its a win win for me anyway as I'll get to work!

[FSTZ]

off topic but...

why do you bounce the TI all the time?

is it cuz the "real time export" ?

that shit gets old

[riskotheque]

ez shy! sorry i didnt look at who posted this.... big ups man!

i'd certainly give it a look, you'll pick it up quickly and when you see some of the things ableton does you'll be pleased you gave it a go! theres plenty of useful tutorials online too to help you along.....

[DubSac]

I am a Cubase 5 & Ableton 8 user, at the moment I do 90% of my production in Cubase and live stuff in Live. )

Did not expect secret lemon project to use cubase... havnt herd too many great things about it, and your tunes are dope =)

[rook]

I produce with both and constantly jump between the two on a whim.

Ableton is more simplistic. I an easier time getting tunes started in ableton I find, mostly because it's laid out so easily and I'm quite ADHD so I get sidetracked a lot when starting a new time. The audio warp modes in Live crush Cubases, so if I have to do some stretching I'll usually toss the audio into live, at least for that.

Ableton is locked into one window, which although you can technically stretch between two monitors, basically confines you to a single monitors usage, maybe pull some plugins over to the other one, but I find it a huge waste of space.

Ableton doesn't have group busing in the tradition sense, which is to say their group system sucks ass. I won't go to in depth here, but they suck for organizing tracks (ie. if they were folders) and they suck as group tracks (cant group inside another group).

I have a virus also and bouncing stuff into Ableton is a peace of cake.
Ableton has easy access to automation, which is nice.

Cubase is a whole 'nother beast.
It's definitely not as simplistic as ableton, but what you lose in ease of use, you gain in functionality.
The automation kicks ass in cubase, better than any other DAW I've worked with (and I've spent some time with all the big ones).

I honestly find myself going towards ableton more often, only because I'm lazy though. And generally, if I get a song going in Ableton that I start to really like, I'll usually bounce it out and continue work in Cubase.

[symmetricalsounds]

they suck as group tracks (cant group inside another group).

that does annoy me a bit.

[heavybeats]

Forget Ableton Stay with Cubase! Version 5.5 is on the way, with a lot of nice improvements

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/mu ... eview.html

[riskotheque]

i'd disagree that ableton is simplistic but i totally agree with the bussing thing.... annoying the way you can only have one level of grouping, but the way you do that grouping is great (hightlight the tracks, hit group tracks et voila)...... also love the way you can drag and drop plug ins between tracks, the fx and instrument racks are AMAZING for layering up sounds or splitting freqs! ...and the ease of saving presets you have made is brilliant..... ableton is slick, cubase is a bit bloated imo but i still love it too <3

[abZ]

i'd disagree that ableton is simplistic but i totally agree with the bussing thing.... annoying the way you can only have one level of grouping, but the way you do that grouping is great (hightlight the tracks, hit group tracks et voila)...... also love the way you can drag and drop plug ins between tracks, the fx and instrument racks are AMAZING for layering up sounds or splitting freqs! ...and the ease of saving presets you have made is brilliant..... ableton is slick, cubase is a bit bloated imo but i still love it too <3

See I didn't even know there were multiple levels of grouping in Cubase. I can see how that would come in handy for sure but Live 7 didn't have grouping at all so I am pretty happy to have the one level atmo. That is something I can see them building on tho, stick around folks.

[Depone]

ableton is amazing, been using it for a good 3-4 years now. best feature is being able to bounce down to audio within the DAW its self, saves me so much time.

the time streching is super powerful aswell.

Logic has had this feature for around 4 years now as well. Nothing special or specific to ableton im afraid. But yeah i have to agree the time streching is awesome on ableton. Logic is catching up though on the flexible audio front

[Pedro Sánchez]

The workflow and GUI is just a lot easier in Cubase for producing I find but Live is great for quick remixing and building sets but just has little things that put me off sequencing music inside it. Steinberg have had years tuning their shit though so it's deep beyond most peoples needs. Learn macros and customise keyboard shortcuts and it makes the program even quicker & better.

Cubase 5.5 is about to drop with some added improvements free to all 5 owners including a better Mediabay "YAY".

[abZ]

ableton is amazing, been using it for a good 3-4 years now. best feature is being able to bounce down to audio within the DAW its self, saves me so much time.

the time streching is super powerful aswell.

Logic has had this feature for around 4 years now as well. Nothing special or specific to ableton im afraid. But yeah i have to agree the time streching is awesome on ableton. Logic is catching up though on the flexible audio front

Really? That is the first I have heard that. Would really like to play with Logic more so than Cubase. I don't have a Mac tho and I had a very unsuccessful attempt at installing it on my pc

[Depone]

ableton is amazing, been using it for a good 3-4 years now. best feature is being able to bounce down to audio within the DAW its self, saves me so much time.

the time streching is super powerful aswell.

Logic has had this feature for around 4 years now as well. Nothing special or specific to ableton im afraid. But yeah i have to agree the time streching is awesome on ableton. Logic is catching up though on the flexible audio front

Really? That is the first I have heard that. Would really like to play with Logic more so than Cubase. I don't have a Mac tho and I had a very unsuccessful attempt at installing it on my pc

Yeah its called Bounce in place. select whatever, midi or audio, and click bounce in place. a new track will be created and the original will be muted, and if needed hidden for recall later

[rook]

ableton is amazing, been using it for a good 3-4 years now. best feature is being able to bounce down to audio within the DAW its self, saves me so much time.

the time streching is super powerful aswell.

Logic has had this feature for around 4 years now as well. Nothing special or specific to ableton im afraid. But yeah i have to agree the time streching is awesome on ableton. Logic is catching up though on the flexible audio front

Really? That is the first I have heard that. Would really like to play with Logic more so than Cubase. I don't have a Mac tho and I had a very unsuccessful attempt at installing it on my pc

Yeah its called Bounce in place. select whatever, midi or audio, and click bounce in place. a new track will be created and the original will be muted, and if needed hidden for recall later

Cubase 5 has this too with quite a few handy options.

[the dub lemon]

I am a Cubase 5 & Ableton 8 user, at the moment I do 90% of my production in Cubase and live stuff in Live. )

Did not expect secret lemon project to use cubase... havnt herd too many great things about it, and your tunes are dope =)

Haha, thanks for the fantastic compliment and I'm really glad you're feeling the tunes but you've really never heard good things about cubase? Cubase has one hell of a history and is a ridiculously powerful DAW and as has been mentioned already is pretty much the best when it comes to audio editing (there are things like Pro Tools which are better but less popular in the electronic production world but more so in the recording world), sure somethings are a bit more complicated in cubase than in other DAWs but also the reverse is true...swings & round-a-abouts innit

[legend4ry]

I am not a hater but i really dislike ableton, i have tried it on numerous occasions and djake has tried to get me into it with helping me out using it - its just the GUI, so...gimmicy it doesn't let me take it seriously haha - though people who use it do great things so I can't say its a bad DAW just not the DAW for me. Stick with cubase imo.

[JFK]

I am not a hater but i really dislike ableton, i have tried it on numerous occasions and djake has tried to get me into it with helping me out using it - its just the GUI, so...gimmicy it doesn't let me take it seriously haha - though people who use it do great things so I can't say its a bad DAW just not the DAW for me. Stick with cubase imo.

TELL DEM FATHA LEGEND4RY!!

that is to say... I concur.

[symmetricalsounds]

its just the GUI, so...gimmicy it doesn't let me take it seriously haha -

so because it's colourful which makes it much easier to see and well laid out you can't take it seriously? of all the reasons to not like something that's gotta be the weakest.