You can't love all dubstep, right?

[i-line]

its easy to slaggg people in internet. way i see that what you say in forum
you should also be able to say face-to-face.

some people come to shake ur hands in partys and tell how good someone is and then they go to forum and post totally different.. thats not fair.

whole dubstep thing to me is about feelin you belong part of a big or small family.. but family nonetless and thats atleast how we have scene in finland. feels like everyones part of one big movement.

no superstars, no idols just friends n fellow mates who like same music and share same passion for bass music the whole superstar thing is what i hate in drumnbass. we're all equal, we breath same air, drink same water..and share same joint

and when you critise someone, you should be able to explain why.. Someone done lotsa work to put record out, use money, time, energy so
atleast he deserve to know proper critism instead of just "you suck"...

but im sad of all this negative vibes..

I agree. Especially the bit about being able to say things to people's faces. There's a really nice respectfulness about this forum (generally!) which is what keeps it interesting. Some of the forums you come across randomly on the internet are unreadable - just straight profanities, no content. Because there are no personal links, people just say whatever comes into their heads.

Constructive criticism and good argument, yes.
People dissin other people in public for the sake of it, nah.

Keep bringin the good vibes.

The Finnish dubstep scene sounds live, by the way.

Also, how did you manage to write that whole thing without using the word "the". Maybe we don't need really the "the" in the English language?

[ms a bourdain]

The issue with Smurf in that thread for me was the nature of what he said. Personally I like having producers on this board taking part in discussion giving us fresh news and info etc, it would be a shame for this board to go the way of Dnb discussion boards and generally be derided and ignored by those making the music. Comments like smurfs will only contribute to producers fucking off never to post again, its all well and good having an opinion on something but if you aren't adult enough to be able to express it in a constructive and more considered manner and without a malicious tone then you should keep it to yourself.

Indeed.

OK, so some of the tracks uploaded onto the Audio section might not be to everyone's taste/not hit the record shops etc, but I think part of THIS forum's purpose is nurturing new talent and supporting the growth of a scene.

In that sense it IS different to an indie messageboard...

And do people successfully get properly constructive criticism from a public messageboard? I guess the forum is a good place to spread the word but if you really want to know what people think you PM them or lock them in your room at knifepoint, right???

[drum syndicate]

The way I look at it, if you're not feelin something, that's absolutely fine. Someone out there probably is. It's like the whole clownstep debate in drum n bass, or the tearout, or drumfunk thing. So it's not your style, deal with it.

If I don't like something, I just stay away from it. I used to slag things all the time, and sometimes I still do. I've learned that it doesn't really get you anywhere tho, so what's the point.

I'm just glad that in this forum people are able to discuss things in a civilized fashion, instead of just spewing bullshit.

[hera]

it was more or less the degree by which he shot down a pretty prolific producer (imo). i just want to know who it is that homeboy is listening that compares to and outshines Hijak. where is all this undiscovered brilliant dubstep?

[fubar]

edited...acck fukit

[crash fistfight]

Its fair enough saying you don't like someone's tracks but to say they are shit without giving any reasons is unfair. All topics should be open to discussion, but there has to be reasons given, so the topic can be discussed further. Its tough talking about music because its such a personal thing, so its always going to be a contentious issue.

[two oh one]

Part of what I like about this place is when a track is posted, only those who genuinely like it post comments. Those who don't like something just don't bother replying in there and certainly don't jump in and start trying to discourage people with a load of bullshit comments. And there is a lot of constructive crit, too.

This is one of the most positive forums I've been to on the web, however, I do wonder about those who wish to drop turds from above and what their motivations might be.

There are several people here who are often on the attack, but looking through their posts, you learn that they're either just faceless stnuc taking their shitty lives out on others, or somebody who has just had a track picked up and their ego simply can't handle it. Funny and tragic stuff, really.

[hate recordings]

dnb is dead because people like myself and others bitched about how terrible things were until people stopped trying. this is why dsci4 is gone. the worst thing that you can do is focus on the negative as opposed to focusing on the positive, even if one outweighs the other.

somebody who has just had a track picked up and their ego simply can't handle it. Funny and tragic stuff, really.

exactly. *rasies hand* been there. done that.

im learning from my mistakes. ive decided that just because i dont like a tune doesnt mean i should go around screaming like a douchebag about how bad it is. sure, i might have the right to, but is it really RIGHT to? you have to think about what the negative forces will entail when people start reading or talking about how some dubstep tune is shit. how will something like that reflect on the scene as a whole?

and as small of a scene as dubstep is, i would say it would be a VERY terrible thing to do, especially when so many people are starting to look over in this direction. if there is already squabble about problems with people making tunes, that will definately reflect a negative image upon people and those in the scene itself.

like everyone keeps saying, let's try to keep it positive! let's talk about what's great, not what's bad! we can't let a few subpar tunes that show up here and there outshine the vast majority of quality releases put out.

and if ya hear something you dont like, then dont mention it. i swear, sometimes the "I hate this tune" posts stick out on this forum like a sore thumb.

the entire world is now watching people. don't make yourself look like a dick.

[bob crunkhouse]

blah blah blah...yeh

Hijak is a bad boy producer...i just couldnt undersntad why the geezer didnt feel his stuff while obviously liking a lot of the other stuff thats why i made a comment in the previous post. blah blah blah....continue

[b166er]

All this is about the minds of those that do, and those that comment on it. those that do, well they do, and like what they do. Those that comment on it, well comment, and you and i can take it wif a grain of salt, or we can bash it.
I take it all as a bigger picture, suppose the topic wasnt dubstep, it was gays, or euthanasia or handicapped people? I cant tell a handicapped kid hes a fucktard because its not nice? Man if i was handicapped I'd want to be struggling as much as anyone else, cause that makes me real, not soft and comforted. Girls wanna play basketball wif boys they should get yanked and foulded. Thats the game.
But typically the internet allows us to be our dumbest. Visit any political forum. To think people actually believe half the stuff they say, and most wouldnt say that shit outright for fear of public humiliation, but the net protects us, makes us bigger people, thinner women, and look like we have deeper pockets. KVRaudio is the worst example of people that hide behind the shadows of thousand+ posts and signatures the length of African dicks. And to watch a mob get started on the net, truely funny. Those souls that own virtual poolhalls can get any amount of newbie to believe their personal rhetoric just by answering one post and sending few audio files. The idea is words have weight here, and even if we are a bit thin skinned for them. But we have to take into account whos saying them. Theres power in words if we allow ourselves to be subjected to them.
That said, I think I have every right to say I dont like a tune, producer or genre. I can hate people, colours or ice cream flavours. Its my mouf. You dont like it, dont hear it. I can like an Opel over a Benz, and you can laugh at me. But to actually get upset about it? Please. Thems just words.

[b166er]

Ya know, in retro, I think I'm just angry cause all the music i liked, nobody else liked. With House i liked that rhythmic loopy stuff, where the community went for big glamour and snootiness(read: gay). With DnB I was all into the sparse minimal, came outta the mucks stuff, and eveyone went for hip hop remixes and amen-y rave delights. With Nuskool it was all experimental, heavy produced stuff, and the world fell for the way over commercialized stuff. Fcuk me up on dubstep, world, go ahead!





Actually nah, I'm right, youre wrong, you bunch a legless stnuc!

[tes la rok]

[quote="B166ER"]Ya know, in retro, I think I'm just angry cause all the music i liked, nobody else liked. With House i liked that rhythmic loopy stuff, where the community went for big glamour and snootiness(read: gay). quote]

u jokin right...
house/disco started from paradise garage.

[b166er]

Ya know, in retro, I think I'm just angry cause all the music i liked, nobody else liked. With House i liked that rhythmic loopy stuff, where the community went for big glamour and snootiness(read: gay). quote]

u jokin right...
house/disco started from paradise garage.

i dont... know...

[juliun_c90]

on a personal level i don't agree with what smurf said in that thread- i like hijak's stuff, but that's utterly irrelevant. the way he expressed himself could be seen as pretty aggressive and insulting. That and that alone should have been the issue that riled people.

hijak deserves the same basic respect on this forum as each and every member does, irrelevant of whether he's put a tune out. he's not a fucking idol or a superstar. he's someone whos done some pretty good tracks. end of.

what upset me more than any of what smurf said was the distinctly uncomfortable feeling i got that people were defending hijak on his behalf because he is a producer and he has released some tracks. definite evidence of idolatry there.

some of the disses levelled at smurf were fucking ludicrous. you can't prove objectively that hijak (or anyone else) is a good producer FFS. if the man's not feeling him then he's not a good producer to smurf.

[random trio]

Every 1's entitled to there opinion but theres a way to go about it.
Its about respecting some 1's art. If you dont like there beats ( cant make beats that appeal to every 1 ), no need to say the producer shit & weak ect. if its not ur cuppa thats all that needs to be said, whoever the producer/s.

Alot of time and effort goes into making these beats and as mentioned this is still a growing scene which some people have worked hard to get it where it is today.

I think criticism is a good thing if said in the right way, makes you work harder.

Enjoy the music wotever your taste.

[vonboyage]

people were defending hijak on his behalf because he is a producer and he has released some tracks. definite evidence of idolatry there.

I see this quite alot on the forum.. still.. i dont agree with idolization.. but i like a fanbase coming together to appreciate an artist .. im sure theyd like to know theyre doing SOMETHING right.

Theres a thin line, though...

[forensix (mcr)]

i think the reason we dont see alot of criticism on here is because there is a great deal of respect, people appreciate that alot of hard work goes into making the tunes and getting them out there.

If theres no respect in a small scene then it'll go nowhere.

[vonboyage]

I Hear that..


this is like.. the TOTAL opposite of RWDForum.. (no dis-respeezy to the actual genuine posters.. it holds quite a few)

everyone on this has a common agenda.. LOVE for music.. be it dubstep or whatever..everyone respects each others values..

i used to LOVE grime, dubstep wudnt even get a look in.. till the scene started growing some sort of.. attitude.. and it was a case of WHO U KNOW not HOW GOOD YOUR TUNES WERE.. ive seen some terrible grime releases.. respect for getting it out there n all.. but IMO, really terrible tracks..

so respect for the music went.. the people started gainin sum sort of SUPERMAN status and its going downhill from there i reckon..

then i found dub...

and the rest, as they say, is history.

[sand leaper]

If theres no respect in a small scene then it'll go nowhere.

If nobody bothers to criticize, the outcome is exactly the same.

I don't see why people shouldn't call a tune shit as long as they provide a constructive argument to back it up. If nobody criticizes, how are people supposed to improve?

[forensix (mcr)]

I don't see why people shouldn't call a tune shit as long as they provide a constructive argument to back it up. If nobody criticizes, how are people supposed to improve?

Yeah of course they should,

constructive criticism imo IS respectful as it shows that you have given the time to listen to the tune and to point out what you dont like about it