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Jah Warrior: Dub From The Heart (1997)

drokkr wrote:"snare on the 3rd"

This is the problem, people seem to think this is what defines the sound or more recently distorted or high pitched lead lines all over the place. Surely the 1st Dubstep tunes were Horsepower's as it was a descriptor for their tunes.

drokkr wrote:1995 - Scorn "Time Went Slow"? Also, there is a remix he did of Surgeon "Waiting" in 1997 on Tresor as Mick Harris. Both of these tracks may not have the "snare on the 3rd" the we are all so familiar with but the elements are certainly there. More so on the Surgeon remix...

same for jamnite

http://www.discogs.com/release/299516

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

Then when I was blown away by that...my mate gave me 10 Tons Heavy so the next were


and


And consider me hooked.

I think it's completely wrong to go posting up coincidentally proto-dubstep tunes from two decades ago and claim the scene was forged around them.

If you want to consider dark 2-step where the dubstep tag was formed around and the FWD>> night came from then look to anything by Zed Bias, Horsepower and El-B around 2000/2001. I don't believe there was any singular musicial moment or epiphany that offered the scene a sonic paradigm shift.

If you want to understand where the half-step emerged from I would consider Wonder's What track to be pivotal. Tracks like Plastic Man's Hard Graft further popularised the mechanics of the groove (or possibly anti-groove) and Caspa and Rusko's early releases later on took it to the masses. 'What' happens to be the most important tune for the scene today, but it was a huge crossover hit in grime, garage and early dubstep.

dubmilo wrote:

Wolverine wrote:imo this is the very first dubstep tune, made in 1983!!!

THIS.

This again. I love how there's no huge drop. It just keeps you on the edge the whole way through.

Funk Eh wrote:

brasco wrote:NAH M8 IT WOZ DAT SIERRA LEONE TRACK BY MT EDEN. DAT ONES FYAHHHH

this

laughed my ass off at this. tired of all them wankers coming up to me telling me this track is amazing.

Sentinels wrote:I think it's completely wrong to go posting up coincidentally proto-dubstep tunes from two decades ago and claim the scene was forged around them.

If you want to consider dark 2-step where the dubstep tag was formed around and the FWD>> night came from then look to anything by Zed Bias, Horsepower and El-B around 2000/2001. I don't believe there was any singular musicial moment or epiphany that offered the scene a sonic paradigm shift.

If you want to understand where the half-step emerged from I would consider Wonder's What track to be pivotal. Tracks like Plastic Man's Hard Graft further popularised the mechanics of the groove (or possibly anti-groove) and Caspa and Rusko's early releases later on took it to the masses. 'What' happens to be the most important tune for the scene today, but it was a huge crossover hit in grime, garage and early dubstep.

"What" was big, but did it have the effect on dubstep producers that "Horror Show" did?

Agreed about the "connections" from artists completely unrelated to the FWD sound having anything to do with shaping this music. People try and debate me all the time on this and it's stupid. It's always some weak attempt at discrediting or some sense of musical superiority when someone references some IDM cack that implemented dub sonics in 199x, "so & so was doing "dubstep" back when!" No. They weren't.

Fad Gadget has a song from 1983 or something that has half step machine drum drums, but he aint got shit to do with HPP or El-b.

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

true say

What was in my memory before Horror Show. It was a Slimzee/Geeneus battered tune and certainly as likely to be heard at Sidewinder or on a grime show but it definitely changed things, in the way you notice lots of producers changing tweaking their production techniques and sonics after certain tunes... a game changer (Pulse X, Eskimo being others around that time.)

I feel 'What' informed that second wave of FWD>> upstarts like Plastic Man, Mark One in their early tech-step experiments. They were the pre-cursors to the Caspa and Rusko style wobble-step that dominates dubstep and what most people associate with the genre today. The DMZ/Horror Show lineage is probably far more important from a scene building perspective but I don't feel it was first.

grimesceneinvestigation wrote:

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

do you really believe this? we were having full on jungle parties before this tune!

Muslimgauze

grimesceneinvestigation wrote:

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

This and moments in love must have been the very beginning because they wasnt remixed by caspa and that till later on. the sounds of pinch and distance and burial are too similar to garage and grime sounds. not saying at all though that dubstep started with the first wobble cos thats naive

i would say its rob acid`s "loving `ya" from this record: http://www.discogs.com/Various-Clicks-C ... ase/109244
ill record it & load up a snippet later.

i don't really know, but some will say something by Skream. i think the earliest record i own is Toasty "The Knowledge"/"Like Sun" from 2005.

truefiktion wrote:

grimesceneinvestigation wrote:

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

This and moments in love must have been the very beginning because they wasnt remixed by caspa and that till later on.

Sorry if i have misunderstood what you are saying but but Moments in love is 25 years old (Art of noise version). Has nothing to do with the earliest dubstep track. Once again I'm sorry if this is not what you meant.

truefiktion wrote:

grimesceneinvestigation wrote:

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

This and moments in love must have been the very beginning because they wasnt remixed by caspa and that till later on.

are you taking the piss?