Dealing with really low sub (and hangover tips)

[serox]

and the key of the tune is.... ?

keep in mind, the lower the sub, the more room you have for the drums to knock.

I find going too low a note makes everything sound muddy for some reason. But that could be a side affect from compressing too hard:D

[macc]

Drinking water after the night, before sleep, works better then afterwards. It reduces the hangover

Thanks for that, you're only 15 hours late... or 15 years late, depending on how you look at it

I did drink a fair bit of water, but when you're so pissed you are concerned about falling and smashing your head to bits on the sink, it's time to get to bed. Fast

Can we rename this thread to 'dealing with a really bad hangover' please, mods?

[Ongelegen]

Drinking water after the night, before sleep, works better then afterwards. It reduces the hangover

Thanks for that, you're only 15 hours late... or 15 years late, depending on how you look at it

Well it wasn't the last time was it? Make sure tho it's enough water, at least 2 glasses. Always works for me

[Sharmaji]

^ haha, nope, but if it keeps going i'll split the threads. As a stroke of luck, i tend to get the worst hangovers when out of town celebrating something or other in a hotel. Nabbing a sauna the next day always helps, so if you've got any way to get into a hot wooden box and sweat out the poisons-- it's worth whatever you have to pay.

OP, seriously, what's the key of the tune? I find anything below D# often has trouble replicating on a good system. E1 is just above 41hz; you're gonna need an expertly-built system along with well-placed speakers in a nicely tuned club room to replicate much below that. adding some harmonics via distortion or wave selection can help, as can layering something an octave up.

[kaiori breathe]

When writing sub so low that it can't be heard does it even matter what notes I put in, surely if the point is to make it felt and not heard then i can slam a G# in there even if the key of the track is A natural minor...

?

[LordBid]

yea really sub notes that are that low dont really matter and its more like how much sound pressure each note is going to put on somebody, so I just kind of hunt around for the sweet spot which usually seems to be around F in my opinion and that might be like on the notes that I want the emphasis on so the peeps get slammed by a particularly fat sub not or so on and so forth. But really its so hard for people to pick out audible freqs that low that it doesn't really matter what notes get played.

[macc]

Couldn't disagree more.

[Sharmaji]

everything matters in music.

[SunkLo]

Keep in mind chord inversions might help you out. The sub doesn't necessarily have to be the root note, 5ths or 3rds work well. A really deep 5th sub with the bass on root will give you the inverted power chord, which is evil as faaaack.

I find that since I bought these Sony XB500 headphones I can hear sub bass way more (whaa on hedphonaes?!?! yeah nigs, they're sweet) and my mixes conversely tend to not have as much bass, but sound clearer. Just a matter of bumping up the low end in mastering after comparing it on a few different systems.
Anyone use harmonic exciters to make their subs audible on systems that can't reproduce low lows? I tried Maxxbass a couple times and it seems kind of cool. I read this article about how if the brain hears the harmonics of a sound but can't hear the fundamental, it will still fill in the root in your head. This is the underlying principle behind Maxxbass and the like. You could also duplicate your sub, saturate it a bit and then hi pass out everything but the higher harmonics so people get a sense that there's something invisible smacking them in the balls.


Oh yeah and hangover cure is two bottles of Gatorade; One before bed, one when you wake up

[kaiori breathe]

Oh yeah and hangover cure is two bottles of Gatorade; One before bed, one when you wake up

Don't have gatorade over here

My hangover cure tends to revolve around smoking... Lots and lots of smoking.

[phrex]

haha sorry Kaoiri, but you are on the dubsteoforum! and most of the ppl here love to hug the sub man, and I for one fuckin love the BASS!

on a side note, if you know anybody with a pretty big car system, I find that that is a good way to test low sub notes. Lots of peeps I know have fat subs in their cars and I easily can test my mixes on them to see how its going. try it out!

step 10 feet outside the car mate...

[deadly_habit]

car, home, headphones, non monitoring shit is great for gauging low low end. spectral anaylzers while producing too. even in a monitoring setting if your room aint treated walk to a corner or somewhere where bass would be trapped is a good gauge too

[Sharmaji]

^ deadly, no hangover cure? WTF man????

[Ongelegen]

walk to a corner or somewhere where bass would be trapped is a good gauge too

I actually do this all the time

[nowaysj]

Re getting old and the increasing severity of the hangovers. No doubt. It's called permanent liver damage, bro. Gonna have to head over to china with a sack of cash for a new organ (know someone who did this by the way).

This is a schizophrenic thread isn't it?

[deadly_habit]

^ deadly, no hangover cure? WTF man????

heh large glass of water beforehand and 2% milk glass if ya feel it creeping in
instant hangover cure, but i guarantee no security for your toilet bowl and spraying out of your rectum

[HALP]

oke sort of ontopic question

why would you compress sub, seriously.
All the uses of compression i know of (arent too many) don't have any use for making a sub better.
You can give it some punch in the beginning offcourse, but you can just as well do that with invelopes and pitch

sidechain compression is obvious, i'm talking about any other compression

and i disagree on the sub dont matter what key thing as well.
One of my tracks was crap, then i found out the sub wasnt in the root note whatever, changed it, and then it was awesome

[deadly_habit]

oke sort of ontopic question

why would you compress sub, seriously.
All the uses of compression i know of (arent too many) don't have any use for making a sub better.
You can give it some punch in the beginning offcourse, but you can just as well do that with invelopes and pitch

sidechain compression is obvious, i'm talking about any other compression

and i disagree on the sub dont matter what key thing as well.
One of my tracks was crap, then i found out the sub wasnt in the root note whatever, changed it, and then it was awesome

fletcher munson scale and killing dynamics man
why i compress my sub
makes it sound bigger in low range than it would without it, and if done right doesn't turn sine waves into squares

[HALP]

but how is having dynamics in the sub range a bad thing?
and i know about percieved loudness but with the dynamics intact you can still push the sub

and i thought things seeming louder with compression, if done right, was more for snappy higher end stuff

[deadly_habit]

but how is having dynamics in the sub range a bad thing?
and i know about percieved loudness but with the dynamics intact you can still push the sub

and i thought things seeming louder with compression, if done right, was more for snappy higher end stuff

it's more for clubs and more emphasis on low end
like i said read up on the fletcher munson scales